Everything Ulster - Latest comments on UDA Call For Truce http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php?disp=comments en-UK http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 aonghus [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:09:28 +0000 aonghus [Visitor] c1086@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ "Nothing to do" is perhaps a bit misleading.<br /> <br /> We are say, a group of cousins! Family fights are always the worst.<br /> <br /> Amen to the rest of your post.
We are say, a group of cousins! Family fights are always the worst.

Amen to the rest of your post.]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1086 David N [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:53:21 +0000 David N [Visitor] c1085@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ Agreed<br /> <br /> What goes on in the north has nothing to do with the south and vice versa and it's time the world's media began seeing the difference between the two <br /> <br /> All we can do is strive to develop good relationships as neighbours on this island
What goes on in the north has nothing to do with the south and vice versa and it's time the world's media began seeing the difference between the two

All we can do is strive to develop good relationships as neighbours on this island]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1085 aonghus [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:40 +0000 aonghus [Visitor] c1084@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ We could. But let's not. As far as I know, it was an unscripted response to a question.<br /> <br /> Despite our southern viewpoint, the thing is that the external perception of my country and my state is dominated by Northren Ireland, so I can't ignore you!<br /> <br /> And, as someone who has lived abroad, I have needed to have a clearer picture to counter a simple black and white view of things - especially as the PIRA has basically got their view out there, and no one else has much.<br />
Despite our southern viewpoint, the thing is that the external perception of my country and my state is dominated by Northren Ireland, so I can't ignore you!

And, as someone who has lived abroad, I have needed to have a clearer picture to counter a simple black and white view of things - especially as the PIRA has basically got their view out there, and no one else has much.
]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1084 David N [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:47:43 +0000 David N [Visitor] c1083@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ We could argue all day about what she meant or didn't mean. As I said above, Presidents (or their speechwriters) should be much more careful wih their words. Or prehaps it was a subconscious slip from the script.<br /> <br /> Aonghus - I agree with you about Paisley<br /> <br /> and thanks for letting us know what people in the South think of Northern Ireland. That viewpoint suits me fine
Aonghus - I agree with you about Paisley

and thanks for letting us know what people in the South think of Northern Ireland. That viewpoint suits me fine]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1083 beano [Member] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:37:11 +0000 beano [Member] c1082@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ I'm not prepared to gloss over MacAleese's comments and accept that it's ok because she said "for example", however I'm prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt with regard to her (let's face it, rather swift) apology for the imbalance.<br /> <br /> Rather than brand her a bigot, I feel it's simply evidence that with the divisions in Northern Ireland, people automatically and subconsciously blame the 'other side' more than they'd like to admit.
Rather than brand her a bigot, I feel it's simply evidence that with the divisions in Northern Ireland, people automatically and subconsciously blame the 'other side' more than they'd like to admit.]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1082 aonghus [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:17:56 +0000 aonghus [Visitor] c1078@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ David N, it is as illogical to claim the quote referred to all protestants in Northern Ireland as it is to claim the rest of the quote means that all white people raise their children to be racists.<br /> <br /> Note the words "for example". <br /> <br /> And frankly, given that the democratically elected leader of Unionism regularly refers to the leader of my Church as "The Antichrist" and that church as "The whore of Babylon", and has campaigned against UK incitement to hatred law being introduced (it will not be introduced in NI anyway), I find it a bit rich for you to claim the President of my country is a closet bigot. <br /> <br /> The "Prodofascist" refers to a related recent thread on this site.<br /> <br /> I have read the President's biography, and there is nothing there or in her actions to bear out your claim. This one comment, deliberately misconstrued, is all the evidence that she is a bigot.<br /> <br /> Quite frankly it is time that both sides in NI reassessed the demonologies and martyrologies that they impose on the rest of us in Britain and Ireland as an excuse not to sit down and work on the local problems in NI.<br /> <br /> As I said befoire, the attitude of most people in the South is "a plague on both your houses"<br /> <br /> (Rant ends. Sorry, got carried away).
Note the words "for example".

And frankly, given that the democratically elected leader of Unionism regularly refers to the leader of my Church as "The Antichrist" and that church as "The whore of Babylon", and has campaigned against UK incitement to hatred law being introduced (it will not be introduced in NI anyway), I find it a bit rich for you to claim the President of my country is a closet bigot.

The "Prodofascist" refers to a related recent thread on this site.

I have read the President's biography, and there is nothing there or in her actions to bear out your claim. This one comment, deliberately misconstrued, is all the evidence that she is a bigot.

Quite frankly it is time that both sides in NI reassessed the demonologies and martyrologies that they impose on the rest of us in Britain and Ireland as an excuse not to sit down and work on the local problems in NI.

As I said befoire, the attitude of most people in the South is "a plague on both your houses"

(Rant ends. Sorry, got carried away).]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1078 maca [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:16:18 +0000 maca [Visitor] c1077@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ In reference to McAleeses comment I really think people chose to be offended by it. Her comment was not directed solely at the protestant community, he mistake though was simply using the example of protestants. (yes it was a bad mistake but she has done more than most to 'build bridges' in NI). And if people would read her comment <b>in full</b> (or indeed listen to it) she also mentions that the same problems are evident in Dublin. So should all the people of Dublin be as offended as NI protestants? in full (or indeed listen to it) she also mentions that the same problems are evident in Dublin. So should all the people of Dublin be as offended as NI protestants?]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1077 Outsider [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:35:10 +0000 Outsider [Visitor] c1076@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ Just came across this site. I do not live on that side of the pond and cannot pretend to know what it is like to live in NI. I've been there briefly though and must say it is surreal if you are not from there (maybe even if you are from there)<br /> <br /> All I can say is that it is nice to see that rational people on you website know that peace is Good. No matter if someone is an Unionist or a Nationalist, you folks all live on an amazing Island and you should work hard to help everyone on the Island live a happy and equally prosperous life.<br /> <br /> The riots seem to be spawned from economics issues. What are they? Why do these issues become sectarian. Why are parades so critical?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />
All I can say is that it is nice to see that rational people on you website know that peace is Good. No matter if someone is an Unionist or a Nationalist, you folks all live on an amazing Island and you should work hard to help everyone on the Island live a happy and equally prosperous life.

The riots seem to be spawned from economics issues. What are they? Why do these issues become sectarian. Why are parades so critical?



]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1076 David N [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:34:30 +0000 David N [Visitor] c1074@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ Aonghus<br /> <br /> Its not for you or me to decide what she meant. There is no word 'some' in her speech which you quote. The President of a country needs to be more careful with her words.<br /> <br /> As I said before the mask slipped, exposing a bigot.<br /> <br /> Her experience of being burnt out is irrelevant. Tens of thousands of people in Northern Ireland have suffered just as much or more and don't believe all of 'the other side' to be Nazis.<br /> <br /> I don't understand your line: "But my comment was in the context of Unionists describing Loyalists as "Prodofascists""
Its not for you or me to decide what she meant. There is no word 'some' in her speech which you quote. The President of a country needs to be more careful with her words.

As I said before the mask slipped, exposing a bigot.

Her experience of being burnt out is irrelevant. Tens of thousands of people in Northern Ireland have suffered just as much or more and don't believe all of 'the other side' to be Nazis.

I don't understand your line: "But my comment was in the context of Unionists describing Loyalists as "Prodofascists""]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1074 aonghus [Visitor] in response to: UDA Call For Truce Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:38:29 +0000 aonghus [Visitor] c1073@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ I stand corrected (partly)<br /> <br /> <blockquote>"They gave to their children an irrational hatred of Jews in the same way that people in Northern Ireland transmitted to their children an irrational hatred, for example, of Catholics, in the same way that people give to their children an outrageous and irrational hatred of those who are of different colour and all of those things," she said.</blockquote><br /> <br /> I think in the context it is clear that some is meant. And I concede that the smae happnes in other groups.<br /> <br /> But my comment was in the context of Unionists describing Loyalists as "Prodofascists"<br /> <br /> And, as I said, she has personal experience (in 1970) of being driven out of her home by a Protestant mob.
"They gave to their children an irrational hatred of Jews in the same way that people in Northern Ireland transmitted to their children an irrational hatred, for example, of Catholics, in the same way that people give to their children an outrageous and irrational hatred of those who are of different colour and all of those things," she said.


I think in the context it is clear that some is meant. And I concede that the smae happnes in other groups.

But my comment was in the context of Unionists describing Loyalists as "Prodofascists"

And, as I said, she has personal experience (in 1970) of being driven out of her home by a Protestant mob.]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2005/09/13/uda_call_for_truce#c1073