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Barry [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

Barry [Visitor] — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:44:11 +0000

Well, the Cross of St Patrick is still on the Union Flag so there wouldn't be a design change needed there. The only problem being how could you redesign the Union Flag with something to represent Wales? I guess it would be virtually impossible to do without totally ruining what is one of the world's most striking flags!

drew [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

drew [Visitor] — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:26:10 +0000

i think it is the only sensible way forward for these islands . we could be like trinidad and tobago ! great britain and ireland sounds good to me . of course there is no way that ye would accept "dublin rule" so ye would have to run some sort of administration up there . i could live without the "united kingdom" part though ...could you live without that part of the title ? also re : flags . i think every part of GB & I should have its part of the union flag to the fore if you understand me . maybe someone could use their design skills to illustrate what i mean , but at the moment all flags are under the english . just an idea

beano [Member] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

beano [Member] — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:53:18 +0000

Yes with a but.

I'd be happy so long as it was a real attempt at the rest of Ireland re-joining the UK. My only worry would be a UK of GB and I where as soon as Ireland got back in, they moved to take the newly united Ireland out again and this time take us with them.

drew [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

drew [Visitor] — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:02:12 +0000

to the loyalists on here . would a united ireland be acceptable in a re-united kingdom ?

Sarah Curran [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

Sarah Curran [Visitor] — Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:31:40 +0000

With regards to the sex offender's list this makes no sense to limit to a UK or even a UK/Ireland context. With free movement of people in the EU it only makes sense to have one on an EU-wide level. But trying to argue for things from a basis of pure logic is pointless in politics, not just in Northern Ireland but everywhere.

Bob Wilson [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

Bob Wilson [Visitor] — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:14:12 +0000

If Sean Faren is still reading would he like to respond to my specific points about the sex offenders register and the war on organised crime (see above)
Namely would he support the creation of and UK and Ireland Sex Offender List and the merger of the CAB with the ENTIRE ARA instead of hiving off the NI part into an All island structure?
Obviously wider EU and global cooperation would be good but there is Specific evidence of the UK/Ireland context of organised crime and cross border sex offender movements

eranu [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

eranu [Visitor] — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:55:58 +0000

hi sean, easy cliches are what NI politicians use all the time. all those well worn words and phrases. thats whats so tiring for us, the public, to listen to all the time. if it was a list of sound policies that everyone could see were good ideas, then they'd get a better reception.

as regards north-south issues. does the sdlp ever suggest a close cooperative relationship between agencies or organisations in NI and ROI? simply for the benefit of NI? or is the answer always to create one all ireland agency? im fairly certain that most problems can be resolved through simple cooperation. lets look at other small neighbouring states to see how they do things? as far as i can see the only reason nationalists promote all ireland agencies is to diminish the agencies and state of NI. if we can create enough all ireland institutions then eventually NI will dissapear.. isnt that the thinking?? if thats wrong then nationalists are (like unionists) trying to improve NI and make it work, surely not!!

the 3 strands are north-south, within NI, and UK - ROI if i remember right. if thats the north-south paper will there be 2 more papers to come? will the sdlp be publishing any papers on their ideas on improving NI that dont involve the south? or on improving NIs relationships within the UK that will be of benefit to NI? possibley promoting links with scotland? i couldnt see that happening. hopefully im wrong?

sean faren [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

sean faren [Visitor] — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:54:52 +0000

Typically many commentators reach for the easy clichÃ©s and condemn what the document contains in the terms in which they have defined political discourse in Northern Ireland, it has to be either orange or green. Since the document has been presented as a working document dealing with North-South issues it would be the intelligent thing to judge it in those terms. The SDLP, as the document itself makes clear and as was stated at yeserday's launch sees the need to address all of its issues in terms of the three stands of our situation and indeed of the wider global scene as well. To ignore the immediate context of all all-Ireland relationships would be utter folly and can't happen anyway.
Who then really has their heads in their heads in the sand?

eranu [Visitor] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

eranu [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:24:02 +0000

beano,
id need to see the meat of a proposal before i would say that it made sense. it should be writen down to the finest detail of the 'business model'. then it can be analysed and either taken up as a good idea or rejected as bad. to be good it would have to benefit both irish states.
i cant see anything more than people suggesting something and then saying that it makes sense to do it. there has to be details on the logical process that has deduced that a specific proposal is sensible / beneficial.
theres just too many papers from NI parties, all of them i suppose, that consist of little more than a collection of headlines using the same limited set of words and phrases..
the penalty point law change could have been detailed under proposals for 'all ireland traffic laws' or some sort of nationalist sounding title. but we never get beyond the title and possibley some vague ideas in these party papers.

can any party prove they thought of this idea first? if they can, then they go up a notch in my book.

beano [Member] in response to: Ulster In Tug-Of-War (for a change)

beano [Member] — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:42:05 +0000

In ref to your point eranu, I get the impression the SDLP are at least thinking about which areas it makes sense to co-operate in, unlike SF who simply pick a vote-winning subject (healthcare, suicide prevention etc), wait for a problem to be identified and provide their panacea of an "all-ireland approach" to whatever it was.

The SDLP (seem to) have at least singled out areas where it makes sense, they just failed to take the next logical step to East-West co-operation.