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Brian Boru [Visitor] in response to: The Voice of Violence

Brian Boru [Visitor] — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:55:57 +0000

The riots were not at all representative of Southern society. If they were then the Rossnowlagh parade in Donegal wouldn't pass off peacefully which it always does. Also, it wasn't "a few thousands" rioters but 1,000, in a city of 1.2 million thats about 0.0008% so the violence doesn't even represent a small minority in the South. Granted, a large group of us would have had concerns about the parade but would certainly not support violence against it. My instinct was to ignore it and that speaks for a huge number of people. I sympathise with the concerns of innocent victims, but found the smattering of Loyalist paramilitarism distasteful and bizarre for a 'innocent victims group'. No doubt many on the parade were innocent, but I despise the UDA flags allegedly brought down by some marchers (Gardai told them to put it away) and the refusal of Frazer to promise that the marchers would not bring the Robert McConnell photo down with them like they did in the North. BBC NI Spolight linked him to the Dublin-Monaghan bombings in 1974 which killed 33 people. He was never prosecuted but then are colluders (appart from Barrett) ever?

paul connor [Visitor] in response to: The Voice of Violence

paul connor [Visitor] — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:11:35 +0000

the limerick was lifted after 35 seaconds googling from the guestbook of a Unionist site, it was blatantly written by an adolesent and was included to show the manifestations of gutteral secterianism that is just beneath the surface of Catholic Irish society, from the lips of babes and all that.....

beano [Member] in response to: The Voice of Violence

beano [Member] — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:31:03 +0000

"The idea that "Dublin rules" is a northern thing. Southerners - especially Cork, Limerick, other southern counties dislike Dublin's preoccupation with taking care of itself "

I'd imagine, if anywhere, it's a Dublin thing is it not? I've certainly never heard anyone in Belfast use an expression like that.

Old MacDonald [Visitor] in response to: The Voice of Violence

Old MacDonald [Visitor] — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:51:21 +0000

Regarding Paul Connor's mention of that song -> "ALL THE HUNS THEY ARE CRYING", blah blah.

What a bunch of crap!! I just spoke with some friends of mine, and none of us have ever heard this song.

The idea that "Dublin rules" is a northern thing. Southerners - especially Cork, Limerick, other southern counties dislike Dublin's preoccupation with taking care of itself and neglecting others, and it's quite acrimonious when your town needs a bypass, and another 5 billion is spent on Dublins roads.

The Southern nationalist couldn't care less about Billy Wright. Most people don't even know what terrorist organization he was from.

The only time I've ever heard the word hun used referring to a protestant/rangers supporter, was when I wandered into the wrong bar in Derry by accident during a singalong hour.

I'm a southerner, and I can't speak for the northern nationalist. But your impression of the irish nationalist heart is complete claptrap.

I would accept that irish people have a long way to go before acceptance of the Orange Order, but that's nothing against to the ordinary unionist, and it's many degrees calmer than the words of hate in that song you mentioned in your post.

The fact that you posted those lyrics which contained such a degree of vitriol would seem to show that you have an extreme point of view than the average person. I mean, can you stretch your imagination to the idea that sometimes a beating heart is just a beating heart that doesn't hate anybody?

In fact - people sometimes forget, that fellow moderates are your brothers.

That is the one type of unity that we should be able to agree on.

For God's sake! Why don't you come down and visit. Spend some time here, and see what we're really like!

paul connor [Visitor] in response to: The Voice of Violence

paul connor [Visitor] — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:08:01 +0000

beneth the elecution and sanitry smiles of Irish Political classes, the Irish Nationalist heart still espouses things good PR would determine should be shunned, this is as much your national legacy as the professed "high ideals"

"ALL THE HUNS THEY ARE CRYING,BILLY WRIGHT HE LAY DYING,OOH WHAT A WONDERFULL WAY TO PASS THE DAY WATCHING THE BASTARD PASS AWAY,COME ON ALL YOU INBRED HUN BASTARDS JOIN IN ON MY SONG HAHA,FREE FISH ON THE SHANKILL ROAD HAHA,DUBLIN RULES. "

paul connor [Visitor] in response to: The Voice of Violence

paul connor [Visitor] — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:14:56 +0000

well the papers did say there were a few thousand trouble makers, Sectarianism (even the term) has been so politically caricatured that we often forget its true parameters, these people represent a degenerative, but emotive and potentially popular (in the right circumstance) outlook, Sectarianism has the potential to effect each and every one of us and all of us could come to espouse it. The South should remember how quick incidents in the North can be put down to a dysfunctional society by the same commentators who today are presenting this as an isolated phenomenon with no context in broader Irish society, that is not the case and the cause of the attitude displayed by these ruffians (as is the case in Northern equivalents) runs much deeper in Irish society than those with a romantic / patriotic view of it may find comfortable to consider.
We will not find a solution to sectarianism by simple chastising those who act upon it, for it is the character of our cultures and society that produces these people (and until we are prepared to concede the faults in our Own societies, we will not be able find their solution
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maca [Visitor] in response to: The Voice of Violence

maca [Visitor] — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:36:31 +0000

"not entirely representative of the population of the Republic."

not ENTIRELY representative Beano?? How about not at all representative!

simon [Visitor] in response to: The Voice of Violence

simon [Visitor] — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:04:52 +0000

Just saw that post about the Northern Ireland "fans" dahm i lived around the corner from there and I am a southerner.Luckly i moved when I did.

I totally understand the difference between unionists and the "fans" I have many good unionist friends. we might disagree on somethings like the B specials and Humpherys vs O'Gara. But we are all people after all. We just want the best for our childern.

In the Irish Times Rosin Ingle told of a old woman explaining to a nigerian that the rioters were not like of us. And he said now you know what it is like for us Nigerians. profound I thought. It is nice to see most unionist seem to realise the difference between a normal southerner and the rioters

Good blog by the way. I must add you to my blog roll nest time i am at it.