http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php?disp=comments en-UK http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:03:39 +0000 beano [Member] c3657@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ By the way, he took the choice to starve himself. The fact that Thatcher stood firm in letting him make that choice is a testament to her in comparison to modern day pussies like Blair who would no doubt cave at the first sign of media pressure. That takes more balls than any cowardly hunger striker will ever have. http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3657 Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:02:27 +0000 beano [Member] c3656@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ The man didn't have the courage of his convictions. He took the coward's way out. <br /> <br /> He and his friends wanted special treatment because they thought they were better than the other thieves and killers. They weren't. There's no making light of that.<br /> <br /> The world is a better place without him. There's no making light of anything. The fact is he would rather die than face justice. The IRA used the Catholic people as pawns and he was just one of the ringleaders.
He and his friends wanted special treatment because they thought they were better than the other thieves and killers. They weren't. There's no making light of that.

The world is a better place without him. There's no making light of anything. The fact is he would rather die than face justice. The IRA used the Catholic people as pawns and he was just one of the ringleaders.]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3656 Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:20:54 +0000 paul kelly [Visitor] c3655@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ I am still staggered that a man could starve himself to death on the basis of ANY political belief. I remember well the early eighties and the context of the hunger strikes. I find it hard to appreciate any admiration for Thatcher - an ignorant and (despite the sycophantic portrayals) untalented leader. It is easy to be bloody minded. Less easy to die on account of bloody mindedness. And a man like Patsy O'Hara and the others who made a stance against that old bastard and her "follow my leader cabinet", are rightly lionised for their contributution to the republican cause. I dont have an issue with you having a different opinion but dont, under any circumstance make light of a man like Patsy - you don't have that right. http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3655 Wed, 31 May 2006 19:04:38 +0000 beano [Member] c3429@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ And that has what to do with the topic? http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3429 Wed, 31 May 2006 17:45:55 +0000 jaun [Visitor] c3428@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ free derry wernt so big when the cyc rolled in.<br /> what was it 200 to 20 ?<br /> who won? what was it 200 to 20 ?
who won?]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3428 Mon, 29 May 2006 15:16:04 +0000 Paul [Visitor] c3422@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ "a pity that patsy had to starve himselffor civil rights/ political status for the catholic population here in the north, another killing from margret thatcher still wante for murdering these brave men"<br /> <br /> You've contradicted yourself there Free Derry.<br /> "had to starve himself to death" v "another killing from Margaret Thatcher". <br /> <br /> You can;t have it both ways. Nobody forced O'Hara, Sands etc to kill themselves. It was their own responsibility.<br /> <br /> And I thought one of the tenets behind Irish Repubicanism, often bleated by the self-styled inheritors of Wolfe Tone, is that your cause is purely a non-sectarian one.<br /> <br /> Which makes this statement rather strange:<br /> " pity that patsy had to starve himselffor civil rights/ political status for the catholic population here in the north"<br /> <br /> Was he and the rest of his cronies in the IRA/INLA fighting only for the "rights" of "Catholic" nationalists?
You've contradicted yourself there Free Derry.
"had to starve himself to death" v "another killing from Margaret Thatcher".

You can;t have it both ways. Nobody forced O'Hara, Sands etc to kill themselves. It was their own responsibility.

And I thought one of the tenets behind Irish Repubicanism, often bleated by the self-styled inheritors of Wolfe Tone, is that your cause is purely a non-sectarian one.

Which makes this statement rather strange:
" pity that patsy had to starve himselffor civil rights/ political status for the catholic population here in the north"

Was he and the rest of his cronies in the IRA/INLA fighting only for the "rights" of "Catholic" nationalists? ]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3422 Mon, 29 May 2006 13:32:08 +0000 beano [Member] c3421@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ <em>"how is it that margaret thatcher capitulated, ... and gave murderous criminals political status?"</em><br /> I'm afraid I can't explain that. A mistake in my view.<br /> <br /> <em>"How is a murderous criminal elected to the british parliament, why do 100,000 people attend his funeral? </em><br /> A combinaion of poor taste, selective memory and propaganda that would have made Pravda look like an impartial record.<br /> <br /> <em>"there is no individual personal gain to be had by attacking an army and it's apparatus."</em><br /> Oh I don't know, the chance to blame all your problems on those big bad oppressive Brits, rather than try and improve your lot yourself? The chance to pretend that your insignificant little life has some meaning? Of course Mr O'Hara had already said he <em>"would rather die than rot in this concrete tomb"</em> so I suppose we can add escaping justice to the list.<br /> <br /> And lets stop with the "political" bullshit. The hunger strikers committed actions that would be considered crimes in most developed countries, and were certainly crimes in Northern Ireland. A political prisoner is someone imprisoned for their beliefs. Not a single hunger striker was in prison for thought crimes, rather for crimes that were much more likely to result in deaths. "how is it that margaret thatcher capitulated, ... and gave murderous criminals political status?"
I'm afraid I can't explain that. A mistake in my view.

"How is a murderous criminal elected to the british parliament, why do 100,000 people attend his funeral?
A combinaion of poor taste, selective memory and propaganda that would have made Pravda look like an impartial record.

"there is no individual personal gain to be had by attacking an army and it's apparatus."
Oh I don't know, the chance to blame all your problems on those big bad oppressive Brits, rather than try and improve your lot yourself? The chance to pretend that your insignificant little life has some meaning? Of course Mr O'Hara had already said he "would rather die than rot in this concrete tomb" so I suppose we can add escaping justice to the list.

And lets stop with the "political" bullshit. The hunger strikers committed actions that would be considered crimes in most developed countries, and were certainly crimes in Northern Ireland. A political prisoner is someone imprisoned for their beliefs. Not a single hunger striker was in prison for thought crimes, rather for crimes that were much more likely to result in deaths.]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3421 Mon, 29 May 2006 13:06:04 +0000 fionn [Visitor] c3420@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ beano, if they weren't striking for political reasons, how is it that margaret thatcher capitulated, -albeit too late to save lives and avert a propaganda disater for the british government-, and gave murderous criminals political status? <br /> <br /> how is a murderous criminal elected to the british parliament, why do 100,000 people attend his funeral? ...is it beacause all catholics/nationalists are also murderous criminals?<br /> <br /> murderous criminals are motivated by various reasons -personal gain being the foremost- but politics is never one of them. there is no individual personal gain to be had by attacking an army and it's apparatus. i suppose the palestinians, the anc, the iraqi's ... they are all murderous criminals too? (are we starting to see a pattern here?) <br /> <br /> i fail to see how laying down your life, -all you have and all you ever will have- slowly and painfully for the world to see, follows the motive of personal gain.
how is a murderous criminal elected to the british parliament, why do 100,000 people attend his funeral? ...is it beacause all catholics/nationalists are also murderous criminals?

murderous criminals are motivated by various reasons -personal gain being the foremost- but politics is never one of them. there is no individual personal gain to be had by attacking an army and it's apparatus. i suppose the palestinians, the anc, the iraqi's ... they are all murderous criminals too? (are we starting to see a pattern here?)

i fail to see how laying down your life, -all you have and all you ever will have- slowly and painfully for the world to see, follows the motive of personal gain.]]> http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3420 Sun, 28 May 2006 20:09:45 +0000 beano [Member] c3417@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ Margaret Thatcher didn't kill these men any more than their own families did. And they weren't starving for anything half as noble as civil rights - just an easier ride for dangerous murderous criminals in prison. http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3417 Sun, 28 May 2006 19:58:00 +0000 free derry [Visitor] c3416@http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/ a pity that patsy had to starve himselffor civil rights/ political status for the catholic population here in the north, another killing from margret thatcher still wante for murdering these brave men. http://www.everythingulster.com/blog/index.php/2006/05/25/hunger_striker_profile_4_patsy_o_hara#c3416