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In response to: Council Elections - It's not that bad.... is it?

I did get one on the new site: www.everythingulster.com

Apparently the last Harry Potter book was corrupting our children :-/

In response to: Council Elections - It's not that bad.... is it?

Where yer man Steven??

6 months on -"leadership thats working"

What a joke

The people of Ulster have voted in a bunch of loonies who honestly believe thjat the tsunami occurred because Asia is not Christian, and that Hurricane Katrina happened because of a planned Gay Mardi Gra.

Holy shit, where exactly are the DUP leading us- the 5th century....BC???

ps What about another looney DUP Councillor speaks out thread Beano???

In response to: Does it Matter Who Wins?

MERC, I think you're looking for this story

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DORIS DAY WAS A BAD MAN SO IT'S ABOUT TIME HE GOT SHOT DEAD ...

In response to: Election 2005 Post-Mortem

What... kind of.... moron.... ?

Reg if you work in a hospital one would think you'd have better things to do.

In response to: Election 2005 Post-Mortem

Up Ulster

In response to: German Neo-Nazis: The New MOPEs

What on Earth are you talking about? Victimisation? What's victimisation? Saying that most people in Germany realise that World War 2 was not a defeat of Germany but a defeat of Naziism?

You say the young people in Germany are being "victimised" - how are they being victimised?

"when you consider this then take into account that since they weren't responsible for the nazi atrocities it is a form of victimisation"

What's a form of victimisation? You ramble on about the new generation not being responsible for Germany's past but I've never once said they are!!

The people I'm writing about are trying to portray Nazis as victims!

Believe me I lie right of centre myself and am perfectly happy deriding left wing nutcases as well - anyone who blindly follows any ideology unquestioningly deserves derision.

If you want to criticise my post, please at least read it first!!

if youre really trying to write a serious article why refer to them as "right wing nutcases"

Because they are right wing nutcases if they think anyone's going to have sympathy for Nazis and fascists. You're damn right I'm afraid of them - or more precisely, their ideas. We've seen what happens when a right-wing nutcase gets into power and I don't want to live through a repeat of World War 2!

In response to: German Neo-Nazis: The New MOPEs

in writing this article you fail to realise that most people in germany alive at the time of the nazis are actually dead, germany is now a new generation, its not the same misguided folk going astray once more. and when you consider this then take into account that since they weren't responsible for the nazi atrocities it is a form of victimisation. how long do we drag out the war guilt over the germans? majority of whom are not responsible at all for any of their nations past actions. so for the neo-nazis who are recruiting in germany massively in the young germans it is a form of victimisation and you can understand why they feel this way.

also, if youre really trying to write a serious article why refer to them as "right wing nutcases", this shows that you clearly are afraid of them since you cant name them civily whithout using names, your berating of them shows your fear of them. and remember that in Germany there are far more left wing 'nutcases' than neo-nazi 'nutcases', see all newsreports to see that it is always the left wingers who start throwing stonea and bricks at both the german police forces and the neo-nazis. so dont be so politically blind.

In response to: Election 2005 Post-Mortem

Partition was nobody's first choice, it was a compromise. For the benefit of Irish Republicans you can find the definition of compromise at dictionary.com.

People of both persuasions were caught on the "wrong" side of the border, but only northern Republicans tried to enforce their will on the majority there.

In response to: Election 2005 Post-Mortem

Mmmmn,.. bullying a minority into a country they want no part of, sounds a bit like Partition to me.

In response to: Sinn Fein Biggest Obstacle to United Ireland?

It's really quite simple and your comments illustrate exactly why Unionists dislike the Irish state (not the Irish people!)

Orange marches happen in the republic, Peacefully not like in the north. Why is that do you think?

Because Sinn Fein aren't as well organised with their "concerned residents" groups? Because Protestants are too small in number to worry the Catholic state?

"We as irish people have always wished to decide the future of this country by ourselves, why dont you????"
We do - we don't want to be ruled from a foreign parliament in Dublin. We, the people of Ulster, want to decide our own future and right now that means we want to retain our citizenship in the United Kingdom.

To paraphrase your own quote:
"We as Northern Irish people have always wished to decide the future of this country by ourselves"

"We find this laughable in the rep. You want to be ruled by someone in another country that has no inerest in your country, for us that doesn't make sense."
This is a perfect illustration that you will NEVER understand the mindset of the Northern Irish citizen and why we can't afford to be dictated to by people with this midset. We don't want to be "ruled by" anyone. Do people in Galway complain about being "ruled by" Dublin? London is not another country, it's all part of the United Kingdom to which we are proud to belong. We elect more MPs per person/voter to Westminster than anywhere else in the UK!! By your logic, Alaska is being ruled by a foreign country!! Wise up.

"Northern parties are only 2% of the british parlement in a U I northern parties would represent 20% of Dail Eireann."
They'd be 100% of Stormont - sounds like an argument for an Independent Ulster...
Your argument is often used by nationalists and is still just as meaningless when you say it.

"Nobody else hates the irish, so why do the unionists"
We don't hate the Irish people, but the Irish state has for 85 years had an illegal claim on Ulster and her people. Why do the Irish hate British people?

Oh yeah, another thing we hate about Ireland is the whole "big-bad Unionist hates everything Irish" card.

In the 1960s the Northern Irish prime minister resisted calls from his own government to rename the state Ulster because he didn't want to give up the name Ireland to the Republic. Unfortunately this didn't prevent Sinn Fein and other Irish Republicans deciding that to be Irish you had to hate Britain - how do you expect British people in Northern Ireland to feel comfortable with that?

In response to: Sinn Fein Biggest Obstacle to United Ireland?

cant believe you said that, nobody here hates english or british people, i dont know where youve heard that!

Orange marches happen in the republic, Peacefully not like in the north. Why is that do you think?

The orange order leaders in dublin have recently been met by the president to gauarantee the orders rights. Its a free country!

Ireland will never rejoin the UK why are you suggesting this? . Since we ended the union (which was imposed by britain as a way to directly rule her colonies) things for us have never been better. ireland suffered as a result of this as her interests were not served, only those of the british parlement and aristocracy placed in positions of power by the british were served. Both communities suffered as a result of this.. Why would we give up our government our own country, how can you suggest this. I love being irish, i have travelled to many countries and i love the fact that my country is not involved in anything like IRAQ for example. Nobody else hates the irish, so why do the unionists???

Since we ended the union our trade with the uk and the rest of europe has never been better. The UK is our biggest trading partner! Both ireland and the uk have benifited from this except for NI

This is all history shurely you know all this stuff!

We as irish people have always wished to decide the future of this country by ourselves, why dont you???? this none of us can understand. We find this laughable in the rep. You want to be ruled by someone in another country that has no inerest in your country, for us that doesn't make sense.
3 out of 4 britons dont want the union with the north!

How can someone in britain know your home like you do. How do have more in common with the guy in london than the nationalist irish guy across the road from you.

Northern parties are only 2% of the british parlement in a U I northern parties would represent 20% of Dail Eireann. Northern politicians even paisley has the right to sit in Dail Eireann. And he would be welcome!

The question is have you ever visited the republic?

What does northern irish mean at least since 1921 ?

In response to: DUP Propagandist Moves from Newspaper to Election Campaign

Christopher, don't have your email address. Would you drop me a line at aib1@st-and.ac.uk ?

Would be good to hear from you.

In response to: DUP Propagandist Moves from Newspaper to Election Campaign

Thank you Adam!

In response to: DUP Propagandist Moves from Newspaper to Election Campaign

I think Christopher only has Ulster at heart, and thats good enough for me.
Well done mucker!

Forza Northern Ireland!

Adam

In response to: DUP Propagandist Moves from Newspaper to Election Campaign

Andy

Thanks very much! e-mail me some time!

In response to: SDLP Launch Blueprint for United Ireland

Thats very interesting what you said about your friends who would vote to maintain the union, then why in the name of god vote sf/sdlp? maybe vote sdlp,, but sf ohh!

your right in saying that alot of people will find themselves on the wrong side of the boarder. But this has happened before.....

Back when the irish free was formed alot of unionists that time found themselves on the wrong side, but they became integrated into society here. Look at donegal for example which had a large number of unionists living there, their decendants are still there today and they do their marching every summer and its the most peaceful one in ireland and it happens in the republic at rossnowlagh. I went one year myself just to have a look. People here are not interested in each others beliefs in the way that people are north of the boarder.

Dublin was very much and still is a potestant city today with people from all denominations living there. Back when my grandparents got married a catholic and a potestant getting married was unheard of, and for that my grandfather was shunned by his family for nearly 10 years it took them a long time to accept my grandmother but they did in the end. This is all diffirent today now, nobody cares what religion anyone is. Even decendants of originally unionist families refer to themselves as irish now here in the republic not out of fear but of teir own free will. There are people here that refer to themselves as "west brits". they can go and broacast it all they want in the middle of the street and nobody is interested. those people still hold teir uk passports if they wish.

Now wouldn't it be great if all of ireland could be like that. Nobody would mind unionists having their links with the uk.
everybody could do what they pleased!

All of us here in the rep. want to see the end of the IRA and a beginning of the democratic process.

Im going to finish my response to the rest of your post tomorrow as i have to be up early for work.

In response to: SDLP Launch Blueprint for United Ireland

"A few protestants may vote for a UI when the day comes to vote but why do so many catholics vote to stay in the union, this baffels me!"

I would like to know to, but probably for different reasons than yourself. I think some just realise tha if a united Ireland came about, all of a sudden there's potential for loyalists to become the 'freedom fighters' that the IRA have claimed to be for so long. Moving the UK/Irish Republic border from Fermanagh over to the Irish Sea will still leave many people on the 'wrong' side.

I think you must take the 43.6% with a healthy dose of salt. Of the 2 Catholics I mentioned that I know for sure would vote to maintain the Union, neither, I think, actually voted but had they, one would have voted SF the other SDLP.

"Paisley saying no to the GFA is a disaster if he's allowed to go ahead with his hard line attitude. "
Sinn Fein like to portray a no to the GFA as a no to peace. Lots of unionists have always had reservations with the GFA (prisoner release, RUC reform and now d'Hondt). When they say the GFA is dead they're basically saying they need rid of d'Hondt and a better system in place.

To be fair, if the GFA had been implemented properly we would not be where we are today. The IRA should be gone by now for a start and the DUP would have nothing to complain about.

"If not its back to the troubles, just what unionism wants- the status quo! terrorism british army, here we go again! I hope not"

Aside from my disgust at your suggestion that Unionists somehow want to go back to the troubles, that statement is rubbish. The only way the army will be back on the streets is if the IRA go back to blowing shit up. The ball's in their court. None of us ever wanted the past 30 years of strife and hatred.

" unemployment is lower and pospects are better now than ever before. A UI is lookng like a better idea all the time."
You're assuming the Celtic Tiger can keep growling. Most opinion suggests it can't go on forever, especially with interest rates being dictated by what works for the vastly different economies of France and Germany.

Your next statement that a UI would 'end the conflict for good' is a bit ill-thought out I think. As I said above, you now just have a new minority who are in the 'wrong' country.

"when the north starts to work with the rest of the country"
I think you're right, 'the north' should start to work with the rest of the country... the politicians seem to see their role in Westminster as adversarial rather than cooperative. Here's hoping the mainland parties take over here sooner rather than later (a pipedream I know).

I presume you're referring to Northern Ireland working with the Irish Republic though. There is scope for co-operation, but I feel we're much more in competition with them than anything else. The coca-cola plant for example. Northern Ireland needs to develop an edge over the Republic, not be sucked into becoming a poor region of it.

In response to: SDLP Launch Blueprint for United Ireland

One area the british have well sorted is, the health care which is better in the uk alright . Thats a good point. There are also benifits in the republic such as free education in university so its a much of a muchness really at this stage plus unemployment is lower and pospects are better now than ever before. A UI is lookng like a better idea all the time. Almost everyone here in the republic would love to see it happen, and end the conflict for good. The north would drag the republics economy down for a while thats certain as it has alot of problems but when the north starts to work with the rest of the country (border gone and same currency) it will see lots of impovements both in business and socially, this is while away yet though, i think the north has a few more years in the union.

getting back to the healthcare:
I think the irish government is finally learning from other EU countries how to operate a good healthcare system. I studied in france for a year in Bordeaux and i did a degree in aeronautics engineering at the university of bordeaux. During that time i had all the healthcare benifits i had at home in ireland through the french healthcare system. I think the system down here will have well improved before a UI happens.