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28th March 2005

Sinn Fein Biggest Obstacle to United Ireland?

Permalink 10:27:41 pm, Categories: News, Northern Ireland, 501 words  

OK, strictly speaking, the existence of roughly one million unionists in Northern Ireland is the biggest obstacle, but according to the SDLP leader Mark Durkan, the key to a United Ireland is persuasion, not coercion. He goes on to say "The existence of the IRA is only making the task of persuasion more difficult."

At the same time, Newry-Armagh MLA Dominic Bradley has backed up the Irish government's claims that the provisionals are to blame for the current impasse in the peace process. He said "The core problems are the failure of the DUP to work the Agreement, failure of Sinn Fein to sign up to policing and the failure of all paramilitaries to go away now and for good.

In an attempt to switch the focus back onto the Irish government, Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams has said "What about policing? Demilitarisation? Human rights and equality? The political institutions?"

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Perhaps if Gerry could stop mope-ing for a second he'd find the answers.

What about policing?
Well, Gerry, Sinn Fein were offered positions on the policing board, which they have yet to take up. Stop acting like the man who doesn't vote and then complains about the government.

What about Demilitarisation?
Demilitarisation has been moving along quite steadily, at least on the side of the British government, and I'm not aware of too many people being killed by the British army in Northern Ireland lately. While we're on demilitarisation though, how far along are the IRA on hanging up their guns for good?

What about human rights and equality?
Are we not, now, one of the most over-regulated countries in the world when it comes to equality legislation? Has the government not set up a Human Rights Commission which is making recommendations for a Northern Ireland Bill of Rights. Have they also not set up a police ombudsman? On human rights, where do you stand on the human rights of the retired police officers, now under threat for their lives from republican 'volunteers'?

The Political Institutions?
The whole reason they were suspended was because the provisionals proved unwilling to give up intelligence gathering, arms purchasing and other criminal activities. You can have your part in the political institutions or a private army but you can't have both.

Gerry went on to question the Irish government's record on education and other issues. Yes, you read that correctly.

The party that wants to single-handedly destroy Northern Ireland's grammar schools, against the wishes of 62% of parents in Northern Ireland, expressed in a populist "referendum" where the questions loaded in an attempt to get them to answer the way Sinn Fein wanted - and they still didn't. The (then) Sinn Fein run Ministry of Education didn't like the results though, so they pretended they didn't happen.

The same party that was in charge of the department of education when rural schools closed and Irish medium schools with intakes lower than 12 children were awarded grants.

Now they're challenging the Irish governments record on education.

Comments:

Comment from: CavanMan [Visitor]
a United Ireland cannot occur with Sinn Fein linked to the IRA, i wish their members would realise that no self respecting Unionist would co-operate with people who have murdered members of their own community.Sinn Fein perhaps after the next election should break away from the IRA.
Great Website btw Beano.
Permalink 29th March 2005 @ 11:24
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Thanks cavanman, and congrats on being the first person to post a comment who wasn't me ;)
Permalink 29th March 2005 @ 12:58
Comment from: Robert [Visitor]
i think SF are an obstacle but only in so far as trying to get unionists to agree to a united ireland. I think the attitudes of many non-SF/IRA republicans north and south of the border is also a major problem. There seems to be still a major dislike of the million or so protestants in the N-E and a feeling we shouldnt be on the island

the contradictions in SF/IRA are so great and many its a shame that they werent allowed to be exposed more often
Permalink 31st March 2005 @ 22:56
Comment from: Steven [Visitor]
A United Ireland will never occur, until the majority of Northern Ireland agree that there should be 1. People living in the Irish Republic will not accept Sinn Fein/IRA, like we (Ulster) have for the past 35 years???
Permalink 26th April 2005 @ 18:15
Comment from: hotdogx [Visitor]
I agree with the above statements, i am from the rep. and were sick of sf/ira delaying the peace process aswell. SF never ever make gains in the republic like they do in NI. The IRA needs to end its armed campain once and for all and proove in a way that is exceptable to both sides that the armed struggle is over. then some who vote unionist may begin to see a future as a united country of ireland with all ancestrys represented fairly. and northern parties with more representation than they currently have within the UK.and even a continuing link with britain but a united ireland should never come about unless the majority of the people of NI wish it. On this i am completely in agreement! By the way great site very interesting!
Permalink 16th May 2005 @ 21:56
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
I think the only way many of us will be convinced on a United Ireland is if Ireland rejoins the UK. If people can be English/Scottish/Welsh/(Northern) Irish as well as British, I don't see a logistical problem with this.

Except, that is, the prevalence of anti-English sentiment, that for many (although admittedly not all) Irish people, defines who they are as a group.
Permalink 16th May 2005 @ 22:52
Comment from: hotdogx [Visitor]
cant believe you said that, nobody here hates english or british people, i dont know where youve heard that!

Orange marches happen in the republic, Peacefully not like in the north. Why is that do you think?

The orange order leaders in dublin have recently been met by the president to gauarantee the orders rights. Its a free country!

Ireland will never rejoin the UK why are you suggesting this? . Since we ended the union (which was imposed by britain as a way to directly rule her colonies) things for us have never been better. ireland suffered as a result of this as her interests were not served, only those of the british parlement and aristocracy placed in positions of power by the british were served. Both communities suffered as a result of this.. Why would we give up our government our own country, how can you suggest this. I love being irish, i have travelled to many countries and i love the fact that my country is not involved in anything like IRAQ for example. Nobody else hates the irish, so why do the unionists???

Since we ended the union our trade with the uk and the rest of europe has never been better. The UK is our biggest trading partner! Both ireland and the uk have benifited from this except for NI

This is all history shurely you know all this stuff!

We as irish people have always wished to decide the future of this country by ourselves, why dont you???? this none of us can understand. We find this laughable in the rep. You want to be ruled by someone in another country that has no inerest in your country, for us that doesn't make sense.
3 out of 4 britons dont want the union with the north!

How can someone in britain know your home like you do. How do have more in common with the guy in london than the nationalist irish guy across the road from you.

Northern parties are only 2% of the british parlement in a U I northern parties would represent 20% of Dail Eireann. Northern politicians even paisley has the right to sit in Dail Eireann. And he would be welcome!

The question is have you ever visited the republic?

What does northern irish mean at least since 1921 ?
Permalink 13th June 2005 @ 00:31
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
It's really quite simple and your comments illustrate exactly why Unionists dislike the Irish state (not the Irish people!)

Orange marches happen in the republic, Peacefully not like in the north. Why is that do you think?

Because Sinn Fein aren't as well organised with their "concerned residents" groups? Because Protestants are too small in number to worry the Catholic state?

"We as irish people have always wished to decide the future of this country by ourselves, why dont you????"
We do - we don't want to be ruled from a foreign parliament in Dublin. We, the people of Ulster, want to decide our own future and right now that means we want to retain our citizenship in the United Kingdom.

To paraphrase your own quote:
"We as Northern Irish people have always wished to decide the future of this country by ourselves"

"We find this laughable in the rep. You want to be ruled by someone in another country that has no inerest in your country, for us that doesn't make sense."
This is a perfect illustration that you will NEVER understand the mindset of the Northern Irish citizen and why we can't afford to be dictated to by people with this midset. We don't want to be "ruled by" anyone. Do people in Galway complain about being "ruled by" Dublin? London is not another country, it's all part of the United Kingdom to which we are proud to belong. We elect more MPs per person/voter to Westminster than anywhere else in the UK!! By your logic, Alaska is being ruled by a foreign country!! Wise up.

"Northern parties are only 2% of the british parlement in a U I northern parties would represent 20% of Dail Eireann."
They'd be 100% of Stormont - sounds like an argument for an Independent Ulster...
Your argument is often used by nationalists and is still just as meaningless when you say it.

"Nobody else hates the irish, so why do the unionists"
We don't hate the Irish people, but the Irish state has for 85 years had an illegal claim on Ulster and her people. Why do the Irish hate British people?

Oh yeah, another thing we hate about Ireland is the whole "big-bad Unionist hates everything Irish" card.

In the 1960s the Northern Irish prime minister resisted calls from his own government to rename the state Ulster because he didn't want to give up the name Ireland to the Republic. Unfortunately this didn't prevent Sinn Fein and other Irish Republicans deciding that to be Irish you had to hate Britain - how do you expect British people in Northern Ireland to feel comfortable with that?
Permalink 13th June 2005 @ 09:45

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