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29th April 2005

Election Information Onslaught

Permalink 08:51:41 pm, Categories: Northern Ireland, Politics, Election 2005, 726 words  

I came home from work today to find a number of leaflets to add to my now considerable deluge of election information in preparation for next Thursday's poll. I already had received communication from the Ulster Unionists, DUP and Alliance, today I found information from most of the remaining parties (with the notable exception of the Workers' Party, political component of the official IRA). So what did they all have to say for themselves...?

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The DUP's was easily the most comprehensive, providing both a leaflet (about the councillors) and a booklet advertising Jimmy Spratt. Actually I'd already read a PDF of Jimmy Spratt's material from the DUP website, but lets just say the majority of the focus was on how bad the UUP/David Trimble are. Oh and opposing just about everything under the sun (water charges, Ulster Unionists, SFIRA) with a strong message of "If you don't vote for us you may as well vote provo" or words to that effect.

The Ulster Unionist leaflet was actually from Esmond Birnie, a university lecturer running for Belfast City Council. No word from McGimpsey yet, nor a reply to either of the 2 letters I sent him regarding Northern Ireland's new stadium, which he supposedly wants to be built in Belfast. On one side the leaflet lists "10 good reasons to vote Esmond Birnie" basically a "who am I and what have I done/am I doing/will I do?"

The Geraldine Rice (Alliance) booklet was one that impressed me. It was addressed to me personally, possibly because I wrote to Tom Ekin previously, the only councillor of about 6 who had the decency to reply. It talks about sharing resources and public services etc, because segregated ones (having 2 of things like leisure centres - ie "a prod one and a fenian one") apparently costs £1 billion per year (Alliance estimate)! It proposes a voluntary coalition to create an effective form of power-sharing without giving any party a veto on progress and calls the attitude of the SDLP "very disappointing." Before going on to tackle gangsterism with support for the ARA and claiming that the "Alliance lobbied hard for the introduction of" ASBOs. Between their impressive leaflet and Tom Ekin's decency, my X is leaning towards the Alliance at the present moment in time.

The SDLP one seemed decent if wishy-washy. It comes in the horrid puke green that adorns the SDLP website, but other than that didn't seem at all bad - except of course for the obligatory "A better way to a better Ireland" on the back. Tut tut. I'd have considered considering him if it wasn't for that. You will never out-green Sinn Fein boys, don't try. Just focus on being reasonable people and pray that sooner or later the Sinners are ousted for what they are - killers in Armani.
Oh and there was also one for the SDLP councillors. We got two of these, one for the house and one addressed to me, presumably because I wrote to Carmel Hanna too. Needless to say they won't be getting any favours from me, as I didn't get a reply from them either.

As for the Sinn Fein one, well fair to say I'd made my mind up before I read it. The smug mugs of Gerry Adams and Alex Maskey on the front were enough to achieve that. Their leaflet looks much more professional than the SDLP but the only content on it is a personal message from Gerry Adams that looks like it was probably printed on all the candidates' leaflets, with an [insert candidate name here] half way through. Of course there's also the obligatory lipservice to the Irish language, calls for Northern representation in the Oireachtas and an Irish government green paper on preparation for annexing Northern Ireland. Votail Maskey indeed.

Finally, I also received a 'Preferendum' from the Vote For Yourself Rainbow Dream Ticket. Basically it was a list of all the numerous policies each party has which, from the brief look I had, you're supposed to mark which ones you agree with and post it back. Definitely an interesting approach, but the brochure itself does seem a bit complicated. It's printed on newsprint paper, unfortunately. Not unreasonable for a 'party' with an extremely limited budget, but it is definitely less appealing than the nice shiny offerings from the other parties.

Comments:

Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
Interesting, beano, as I also agree with a lot of the Alliance's manifesto on ordinary issues, although, the prospect of a coalition without sfira has been blown out of the water by the sdlp!

I was glad that Alliance supported a coalition WITHOUT sf, but, the sdlp have really shot themselves in the foot.

Alliance are a bit idealistic. A coalition with no party having a veto is quite foolish. We need a colaition, with an opposition, like any other democracy, other wise people will just press through whatever they like, regardless of the representation percentage of the people. (See Mcguinness with the grammar school/eleven plus etc)
It all sounds lovely and nice, a leisure centre for all, and we can all be friends, but this is unrealistic.
Until we all move on, if ever, from tribalism within the hearts of our communities, this is pointless to even dream about.
When you have a majority of catholics voting for the ira, then, there is no chance for progress.

The agreement stance from Alliance, and their pie in the sky proposals for any assembly coalition is what ultimately prevents me from supporting them, so, it remains DUP for me, still this time.
Permalink 30th April 2005 @ 09:44
Comment from: Steven Elder [Visitor]
Government within this country must go on, and leave the party with terroisrist links behend, whether they like it or not, we cannot all wait and see if Sinn Fein will leave the IRA behind, only holding the whole country to randsom!!!
Permalink 30th April 2005 @ 23:01
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
stephen the Voluntary Coalition is what all the main parties bar the nationalists seek (DUP included). It may be unlikely given the SDLP's position, but that doesn't mean the Alliance shouldn't continue to push for it.

Their targets for ideas like removing the duplication of resources like leisure centres is obviously a long way off, but it's good that the party is actually setting goals and trying to detail a vision for the future - and it's no more unrealistic than the DUP's (and definitely more likely than Sinn Fein's!)

Now it's far too late to be on here and I'm going to get some shuteye!
Permalink 1st May 2005 @ 01:13
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
the sdlp are really letting themselves down ...

They seem to be the only impediment to making progress together, without sfira.

That in itself is playing into sf's hands.

Foolish.

Alliance estimate that one billion is involved in having two of evrything. I believe this to be nonsense. There are just centres within communities, they arent designated.
Permalink 1st May 2005 @ 10:36
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Stephen are you serious? There are probably more than twice as many leisure centres (and that's only the most obvious example I can think of) in Northern Ireland, per head of population, than anywhere else in the UK!

Just because something doesn't fit in with your DUP masters' line doesn't mean it's "nonsense".

As for your other comment re the SDLP I agree I was disappointed that they wouldn't form this voluntary coalition, but surely you can see their dilemma. If they agree to it, their voters think they're siding with Unionists. They stop voting for them, soon there is no SDLP worth talking about and SF mop up their votes - we're back to square one.
Permalink 1st May 2005 @ 12:44
Comment from: Steven Elder [Visitor]
I believe after this election, the SDLP 's position will change, they will no longer be speaking for the nationalist community... they had the chance to leave Sinn Fein/IRA behind by joining with the dup in a coalition and bringing devloution back to this country, they decided not to, and they will still be beat at these elections.

Poor sdlp, cant win anyway.. too late for them..
Permalink 1st May 2005 @ 16:36
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
Beano, are you in a bad mood today? lol!
I havent got any DUP masters, thank you, please pay attention.

My point remains, there are no designated leisure centres, just leisure centres in different parts of the city. Do you think that only prods can go into one centre, and only taigs go into another one? wise up!
Actually, you are wrong about leisure centres in ratio to population. In England alone there are more facilities than here.
Your comments about the sdlp are interesting. I actually think the opposite to be the case. If the sdlp were able to put across to voters that they will represent them at westminster, as opposed to sf's refusal to attend, and appeal to nationalists to leave behind the ira, then surely that would be a better choice, twinned with the promise that if they got back in, they would form a local accountable government and move forward etc...that would be an attractive choice.
You see, the problem is, whats the point to vote for the sdlp, if you are a nationalist?
They wont form a coalition without sf, so why vote for them? Why not vote for sfira, as they have the same policy?
That is the point.
formatting corrected, beano
Permalink 1st May 2005 @ 18:21
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Stephen the SDLP are appealing to voters on the grounds of adequate representation (I think they use the term absentee MPs as often as Unionists in the constituency do) and leaving behind violence. It just doesn't seem to be doing them any favours.

I'm also not convinced many nationalists would be keen on excluding Sinn Fein, since many fail to make the link with 30 years of murder and terrorism.

"Despite widespread support for the ceasefire, only one in five people would take a job on the other side of a peace wall, and just five percent of Catholics and eight percent of Protestants work in an area dominated by the other denomination. In both groups, a majority refuses to use shops, doctors’ surgeries, leisure centres and job centres in what they perceive to be the "wrong" area, even when those facilities would be more convenient."
From the World Socialist WebSite

"The sectarian geography of Belfast has also meant that the city has an extremely high number of leisure centres per head of population but even so, many young people have limited access to sports and swimming facilities because they are dependent on public transport and feel constrained by the need to cross communal boundaries."
From the OFMDFM
Permalink 1st May 2005 @ 20:57
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
Belfast, yes, but I dont think one can blame the allocation of european money for leisure centres etc on our wee squabbles!
One billion is simply bollocks, but, if you believe it, then I don't mind!

Surveys like this paint a limited picture. If there was a survey of 'prods' and 'taigs', I am positively sure there are much more than one in five working outside their areas.
Just because some socialists write this, their opinions should be challenged, not just accepted.
I also do not accept this statement of Belfast having an extremely high number of leisure centres per head, question is, in comparision to where?
There arent that many centres in Belfast. Look at England, Wales or Scotland...
Lastly, I meant the SDLP could advocate power sharing without sfira, and I think that wqould be a different choice, as, at present, if I was a nationalist, there is no point voting for sdlp, cos, they arent going to move without sfira, so, why not just vote for them?
(apart from the violence etc)
Permalink 3rd May 2005 @ 14:34
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
I'm more than a little skeptical of the £1 billion figure, that's why I made sure to mention it was an Alliance estimate. I still think there's definite wastage there though.

I did try to find out some figures on people per leisure centre but google wasn't very helpful that day.

I agree to a point that with the SDLP refusal to countenance the establishment of a 'coalition of the willing' if you will ;) there is much less choice. That said, would anyone make that choice, or would the SDLP be seen simply as turncoat unionist wannabes? I'm afraid my attempts to get inside the mind of Joe Nationalist to answer that haven't been totally successful. I think it's nearly impossible for a Unionist to understand this part of the nationalist mindset, but safe to say they have no qualms voting for the apologists of of murderers and bombers (and in some cases these people themselves).
Permalink 3rd May 2005 @ 15:34
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
Yep, we will just snuggle down into our trenches, and make ourselves comfortable for more of the same talks about talks for the next few years...
Permalink 4th May 2005 @ 16:25

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