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19th April 2005

Why Vote Conservative in Northern Ireland?

Permalink 08:15:34 pm, Categories: Northern Ireland, Politics, Election 2005, United Kingdom, Politics, Election 2005, 362 words  

The Conservatives are only standing in 3 seats in Northern Ireland - and why should we vote for them since they're so unlikely to win? Well the Northern Ireland Conservatives were allotted a brief Party Election Broadcast last night and here's a summary.

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The Conservatives are the only party standing in Northern Ireland that can form a UK government
This point speaks for itself. Tony Blair isn't much more popular here than he is in England. You want him out? Vote Tory.

The Conservatives want a comprehensive solution Northern Ireland's situation
This would include, ideally, a devloved assembly to run local matters from Northern Ireland. Nothing unusual there, most parties say that.

In the absence of said assembly, they will make Direct Rule more accountable
Again this is something that all the parties want, but as members of a national party with the potential to form a government, would they be in more of a position to deliver on this promise?

The Conservatives will investigate all areas of public administration to see where savings can be made
This is totally in line with the Conservative's policy nationwide, but should ring especially true in Northern Ireland. Remember something like a third of our work-force are currently employed in the public sector and we probably waste more money than anywhere else in the UK. I would suggest one of the first things they do is reduce the number of members in any future assembly from 108 to 72 (from 6 per constituency to 4). They say all the savings would go into lowering taxes and investing in public services - who can argue with that?

Sorry but that's all I was able to scribble down, if I catch another PEB I'll be sure to post in more detail.

The Conservatives are standing in East Belfast, Strangford and North Down. If we really want a change from the usual fighting between politicians locally, would giving the Tories a try help? Admittedly it's a longshot but perhaps it would send a message to the usual suspects that we really are sick of the bickering. We want politicians with real policies (don't we?) and they're long overdue.

Comments:

Comment from: David N [Visitor] · http://groups.yahoo.com/ulsternation
Why vote Conservative?

If you're a conservative minded unionist, whatever your religion, it's a way to express that and oppose the tribalism that passes for politics in Northern Ireland.

My hope is that post election, with the UUP almost finished as a party, their members / voters could find a new home in the NI Conservative Party.

PS Do we know their views on the site of the new national stadium?
Permalink 19th April 2005 @ 23:31
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
I hope so too David, and welcome to EU.

Re the stadium, no we don't but that's a good question, especially for Alan Greer in East Belfast. I'll be getting in touch with most of the candidates in the next day or two to find out where they stand on the issue and hope to post the results at Stadium For Belfast
Permalink 20th April 2005 @ 00:26
Comment from: David N [Visitor] · http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/ulsternation
Cheers for the welcome Beano

If you haven't got the contact details for the Conservatives, here are the email addresses for the 3 seats they are contesting

ebelfast@conservativesni.com
ndown@conservativesni.com
strangford@conservativesni.com

Also here's a link for a good 2003 interview with their North Down candidate Julian Robertson

http://lark.phoblacht.net/robertsoninterview.html



Permalink 20th April 2005 @ 01:16
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Good interview. It's a pity they're not standing in more constituencies, I'd like to see politics normalised in Northern Ireland.

With the principle of consent agreed, why the need to continue along unionist/nationalist grounds?
Permalink 20th April 2005 @ 10:21
Comment from: Chris Logan [Visitor] · http://egoletters.blogspot.com
Beano

I agree that politics needs to be "normalised" but with Labour probably heading for another victory and the Tories having the worst front bench of any party I can remember, the Westminster 3 are irrelevent here.

Therefore a devolved administration (within the UK or not) is the best option without the "involvement" (if you can call it that) of Westminster.
Permalink 20th April 2005 @ 12:08
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Welcome to you too Chris. I'm not sure what you're saying here - that the Westminster Conservatives are irrelevant, or that the parties as a whole are?

My ideal preference would be for something similar to what exists in Scotland (and to a lesser extent, Wales) where the 'normal' parties have members from NI sitting in a devolved legislature in NI (and hopefully some day forming the government!)

By the way this article has been superceded by a more indepth look at the broadcast entitled Why Vote Conservative in NI? (Full Story).
Permalink 20th April 2005 @ 12:44
Comment from: bob wilson [Visitor]
Chris
Have we not proved that an Assembly based on sectarian parties doesn't work? We actually need the development of left-right politics in NI to get to a devolved situation and hence remove 'Westminster involvement'
Permalink 21st April 2005 @ 16:10
Comment from: Chris Logan [Visitor] · http://egoletters.blogspot.com
Bob

Exactly what I've been saying, although perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

The problem is that the majority of voters are unwilling to let go of old voting patterns therefore you have the "conservative parties" (UUP and DUP) being voted in by working class Protestants who would be better off voting SDLP or even Sinn Fein on a particularly left-wing day. Protestants do have the PUP and David Ervine talks more about issues than most of our politicians but it's the paramilitary link which stops me voting PUP.
Permalink 21st April 2005 @ 17:44
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Yeah Logan, Ervine himself seems to get a lot of respect, and rightly so I think. The paramilitary link does him no favours though... well maybe it does, but not in my book.
Permalink 21st April 2005 @ 20:20
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
Beano, are you aware that this so called principle of consent was in the anglo irish agreement, and further more it is worse for unionists because of the legal obligation for both governments to hold elections, and bring about a united ireland, if a majority are suspected to hold that view?
Also, are you serious about Ervine?
This man has shown, along with his sidekick hutchy, that they have called it all wrong over the past few years...
Also, the problem with a devovled assembly is that there is no opposition, and there cannot be, as the government will not allow democracy, or majority rule, as sfira will blow up england.
ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Permalink 27th April 2005 @ 14:38
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
Beano,

Why should ervine get respect?

Selling out Ulster for early prisoner release is shameful, disgusting, and treacherous.

Permalink 27th April 2005 @ 14:41
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Regards David Ervine:

The man has shown that there are unionists out there who are prepared to deal with other issues besides the constitutional question.

Despite having the baggage of being attached to a party that is itself attached to a paramilitary criminal empire, he comes across in his speaking as reasonable and intelligent. Something which is more than the likes of Ian Paisley manage to do. You get the impression that when Irvine answers a question he has given his answer some thought and you know where you stand on social issues.

The PUP may be attached to criminals, but what they have shown is a willingness to engage in dialogue and government, even with Sinn Fein, the old enemy, for the good of Northern Ireland as a whole.
Permalink 27th April 2005 @ 20:02
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
Beano, you are easily fooled.
David Ervine, (with an 'e',) is one of these people who talks complete nonsense.
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IS REASONABLE, OR INTELLIGENT ABOUT GETTING THE AGREEMENT COMPLETELY WRONG?
Please explain what is intelligent about engaging with sfira and gaining absolutely nothing?
They and the UUP( who used them to get the 50% plus needed for the talks)
made a complete mess of the negotiations.
In case you didnt know, the framework documents were rejected by the pup, uup, ukup, udp, and the dup as any basis for talks.
The two governments insisted that any talks or outcome of same would be confined to the parameters of these documents.
Guess what? The UUP, UDP AND PUP went into talks, even though they had rejected the frameworks, and knew the best they could achieve was within the boundaries of the rejected framework documents.
AND YOU THINK THIS IS INTELLIGENT?
When you learn something, please come back to me, you ignoramus,
you have obviously no idea.

Deleted firstly because it contains personal abuse and secondly because you came to me.

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Permalink 27th April 2005 @ 20:55
Comment from: beano [Member] · http://www.everythingulster.com
Like any good website, stick to playing the ball. Any further posts with name calling directed at myself or any other poster will be deleted - assuming your clearly superior intellect can handle that simple rule.
Permalink 28th April 2005 @ 01:05
Comment from: stephen [Visitor]
or maybe I shouldnt post after a few beers and listening to mccanns the man?

sorry, got carried away...
Permalink 29th April 2005 @ 14:12

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