GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha.

Considering you have deleted 2 of my posts in the last few days, it seems rather bizarre that you wish me now to comment.

If you do not see the problem in burning irish tricolours, to which 45% of the community see some sort of identification, then you are either stupid or mischevious. I suspect the latter. Social responsibility seems a little lacking in the unionists community at this time of year.

PS A rather ironic name everything ulster when you go around deleting posts! I suspect you might not want everything related to ulster (you map/logo is even innacurate) to be displayed after all.

No worries, I will post no more. Enjoy your traditiional protestant flag burning culture. It doesnt just scare away the republic, folk on the "mainland" would be less than impressed!

Dan, I deleted comments that were deliberately dragging the conversation off topic. I have now offered you three options for continuing the conversation. If you wish to refuse them all, that's fine - though I won't apologise for deleting comments that blatantly arise from trolling.

I'm also not sure what makes you think I'd delete comments about flag burning on a flag burning thread, but so be it.

The flag burning culture does not just exist in the unionist community 'dantheman'. 15th august bonfires burn the national flag of the country, ulster flag, scottish flag and the orange standard. What other country has people who are citizens of that country burn their national flag. If you dont like being a biritsh subject then you know what you can do.

derry_loyal

I object to flag burning, if only for the carbon emissions and the children of tomorrow.

Nope. indulge me. What can I do??

LL - to be pedantic, I'm fairly sure neither Dan, you nor myself are British subjects. That's just meaningless hyperbole.

It seems to me that different people see different things in flag burning. To me, burning the tricolour is an act of defiance - against the Irish Republic (and Irish republicanism) whereas others (Dan and, I'm sure, Sinn Fein/Daily Ireland) seem to prefer to interpret it as a statement of hatred of Irish catholics.

LL, in the context of the society in which we live flag burning should be avoided.

As for the argument about burning the tricolour as a sign against the irish republic well i would have to seriously wonder what exactly is your problem at this stage Beano with the republic.
They have no claim on the north, recognise the unionists veto, openly promote tourism in NI in their tourist offices. I would suggest your problems lie closer to home. Any suggestions for your anti ROI feelings and I would be genuinely interested.

"They have no claim on the north"

They have no claim on the land in their constitution any longer (just took 80 years to get that out), but yet we still hear republicans having wet dreams over the prospect of "joint sovereignty" - is it any wonder many loyalists/unionists still perceive eventual annexation by the RoI as a threat?

As I've said before, it's clearly not the most well-thought out rational articulation of feelings ever, and there are a lot of emotive issues behind it like the flags use by the IRA to dress up a sectarian murder campaign.

Obviously there is also something habitual or ritualistic about it as it has been happening year on year for so long now.

"recognise the unionists veto,"
Erm - you mean the consent principle?

Maybe flag burning isn't even something that should be happening in this day and age, maybe it's a legitimate form of protest. To be honest, I'm not sure myself. What I found ridiculous was the suggestion that burning the tricolour = hating Catholics.

Beano, what do you think is the reason that tricolours are placed atop some bonfires. I passed the bonfire at Mt Vernon last week and saw at least three, maybe four, placed on it. What do you think was going through the minds of the people watching those flags burn. Sorry if i missed any earlier explanation.

Burning flags is wrong wrong wrong, people from ROI don't go around burning union jacks, i guess most loyalist/orangemen are bigots and don't realise that they are Irish themselves, they just don't want to admit it, you may not have an Irish passport, but your still Irish, you were born in Ireland which makes you Irish. One day my orange friends, Ireland will finally be united as one, ONLY IRISH PEOPLE SHOULD CONTROL IRISH SOIL

LOL - perhaps you should wait until your sober to post next time.

I'm not sure what burning the tricolour has to do with not being Irish - just not that type of Irish.

ONLY IRISH PEOPLE SHOULD CONTROL IRISH SOIL

Hence the principle of consent.

"I'm not sure what burning the tricolour has to do with not being Irish - just not that type of Irish"

"That" type of Irish? You mean the Irish that live in a free and independent country? The Irish that are free to govern themselves without being "subjects" to a woman who was just born into supremacy? The type of Irish that live in a country which gives them constitutional freedom and religious expression? (and I'm talking about Irish Protestants).

Do they even know what the three colours of this flag actually represent? These morons are basically burning their own colour which they are so intent on celebrating at this time of year. ORANGE! So therefore they are buring a flag which unites all the people on this island. Green and Orange.

What they are burning, is the manifestation of the Brit-phobia you display in your second paragraph PI - a point I think you illustrate quite nicely.

I'm sure plenty of them are aware what the Orange in the flag is for, but I don't see how it's different to the cross of St Patrick on the British flag.

Funny how unionists support the ORANEG order and Lawrie Sanchez' GREEN and WHITE army but when the three go together kleptomania takes over!!

Hilarious - and I'm pretty sure you meant pyromania.

The Queen is a CONSTITUTIONAL Monarch and DOESN'T make the laws Britons live under. Basically, she is just a figurehead and Head of State just as the Republic of Ireland's President is so I can't understand where this notion of her "supremacy" comes into it.

I am new to this (and Northern Ireland) so forgive me if I offend anyone. Going back to what Dublin Prod said “ONLY IRISH PEOPLE SHOULD CONTROL IRISH SOIL”. That seems to contradict basic democratic principles on so many levels. I am not Irish or Northern Irish, but I have a fundamental right under the European Constitution to vote in the region I reside, as I have done when living Germany, Italy and France. According to the last Northern Ireland census there were 10,355 people living in Northern from other EU countries (not including the Republic) - do they not exist, or what about the large influx into the Republic population from Eastern Europe, again, do they not exist. Perhaps if “only Irish people should control Irish soil,” then the 461,905 (last census) Republic born residents living in England should be denied the vote, and then only English people can control English soil. Of course not, because that is undemocratic. Maybe your “Ireland of Equals” needs a little more work.

I did not write the post at 16:57 on 20th July. Whoever used my PC is in for a beating, and I suspect I know who it is...

This is a comment for New to Northern Ireland, let's get one thing straight, I don't support Sinn Fein, infact I have no interest in politics, I'm just interested in Ireland as a whole, North and South, when I say 'only Irish people should control Irish soil' What I am saying is Ireland as a whole should be controlled by Irish people or as you say, people residing in Ireland. No part of Ireland should be controlled by people who reside outside of this island. Northern Ireland is governed by London and that is wrong. Why? London is English, and Northern Ireland is Irish, I hope that makes it a little it clearer for you. By the way the orange in the tricolour represents the orangemen of this country, one day Ireland will be united peacefully.

Going back to what Dublin Prod said, I believe he has a good point, London is English and Northern Ireland is Irish, therefore the people of Ireland North and South should be the only ones who have a say in the way Ireland is run, 26+6= 1 Ireland, someday in the near future, this will happen

Very articulate arguments there gents - obviously your saying "Northern Ireland is Irish" is conclusive proof that the Republic must annex Northern Ireland, subsuming it into a single all-island state - and anyone who says "Northern Ireland is British" is just a misguided bigot, right?

The fact is the problems here will not be solved until everyone admits that Northern Ireland has a unique identity - it is no carbon copy of Finchley, nor of Finglass - and as long as people keep spouting shite like "26 + 6 = 1" and "Brits out" there will be others burning tricolours.

Shouldn’t people be trying to work towards ‘united’ Northern Ireland, before we go peering into the crystal ball or start reading the tarot cards of what will, or may, happen in the future? After all, I could walk before I could run.

This is a comment for beano, Northern Ireland is not British, It's British owned which is wrong, that's all I'm saying. Slan mo chara

Dublin Prod - so are you saying that Scotland also is not British, it is British owned? Also can you explain what you think the difference betwwen being British and British owned please?

Scottish - don't rise (or stoop) to it. I think DP has proved that the Republic still has terretorial desires to annex Northern Ireland, and many there obviously have no respect or tolerance for the British identity of close to a million people there. And yet he wonders why tricolours are burned on bonfires?

Beano you are quite right - I was genuinely interested in his thought process though ;-)

"London is English",When was the last time you visited London? it's getting ,now a days, difficult to meet any-one in London who speaks English.The last visit I paid to London I asked directions from a "London" bus driver he not only could not direct me around the corner to Kings Cross station he couldn't speak much English,I asked a building worker he coudn't speak the language either.If you had landed from Mars,you would not have guessed you were in the English capital.

Beano Whats the craic, Everything Ulster, that's bollox, your missing out on the most important county in ulster- Donegal and what about Cavan and Monaghan, I'll show u a proper map of Ireland which will show all the counties of Ulster, do you not like us because we are part of the ROI, that's racist Beano

Donegal would be more than welcome back DS, maybe even Monaghan, but Cavan's not really part of Ulster anyway.

Oh and unless you've decided the Southern Irish aren't the same race as the Northern Irish it's not racist at all, you could argue xenophobic, but you'd still be wrong, because I've nothing against Donegal - in fact I'm sure I'll quite like it when I visit in a fortnight or so.

Donegal Stud,

You're not really in Ulster because the % of Protestants in your county is too low. You didnt read the orange dictionary, sorry!

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Donegal Stud,

You're not really in Ulster because the % of Protestants in your county is too low. You didnt read the orange dictionary, sorry!

you're letting your ask slip there dan are ye not? or is your bigotted comment "just the craic" ?
as for the same race, aren't a lot of ulstermen decended from scots? and as for the religious freedom in the south comment posted earlier in the thread, i'd recommend looking up the decline of the protestant population in the south over the last 100 years and the reasons behind it

"Beano Whats the craic, Everything Ulster, that's bollox, your missing out on the most important county in ulster- Donegal and what about Cavan and Monaghan,"

I think Beano covered the Donaldson murder in Donegal a few months back, so wrong to say he misses out on the forgotten counties of Ulster. But you got to find something interesting happening before you can blog it.
Starter for ten: last time anything interesed happened in Cavan or Monaghan?
Don't all rush at once and the odd donkey or cow going awol doesn't count.

Quite clear Billy, dantheman, irish Prod, Dublin prod et al have no love of the British people of Ulster. Even deeper hatred of the orange Order. that being the case I'd suggest you stop being hypocrites and remove the colour which represnts the people you hate so much from your flag.
You don't like us, we don't want to be a part of you easy solution time to remove our colour from your flag.
Then we'll all be happy




Do they even know what the three colours of this flag actually represent? These morons are basically burning their own colour which they are so intent on celebrating at this time of year. ORANGE!"

Beano, I absolutely agree with you, I'm from Wicklow, Ireland, United Kingdom, please come down and support us down here, bring back Leinster to the UK, support me Beano, Ireland will be joined once again, but in the UK, but we have to start in Leinster

Wicklowman, do you have many supporters down there in the garden county?

Perhaps you should spend more energy trying to win the Sam Maguire, hell even a Leinster championship would be a start.

PS Beano thanks for the thread. It has gotten more comments than the rest of them put together. Any chance of being given blogger rights to this thread?

"Any chance of being given blogger rights to this thread? "

LOL

Youd be surprised how many people support me down here, beano seriously we have to unite Ireland once again under th uk, support me

I take it LOL stands for....Lots Of Luck in your new role as a blogger on Everything 6 Counties!

WM
You must be a troll, never mind TD's or parties how many councillors in the republic even share such views?

"Everything 6 Counties"

I resent that. If anything interesting ever actually happens in Donegal I'll gladly give it a mention

Loads of interesting things happen in Donegal. There's the new Bundoran/Ballyshannon bypass, and the recent Rory Gallagher festival in Ballyshannon to name but two. And of course they are in the All Ireland quarter finals again, thanks to a gritty win over Fermanagh. Wicklowman take note!

Whether you resent it or not it should be noted that your site is called Everything Ulster but you map only references 6 of the 9 counties. Its a well noted point but deliberately overlooked by folks with an inaccurate take on history and geography.

As I said above unionists (esp Paisley) when referring to the people of Ulster are only talking about the Protestant people. They seem oblivious to the fact that the majority of the people in Ulster are Catholic.

Re: your initial point about burning the tricolour. If it as you state that you are only burning it to show hatred of republicans, then you'd better start burning the starry plough or something else as the flag actually represents the only (far from flawless but) properly functioning on this island. It would be very difficult to interpret such an action as anything other than unjustified hatred of all things Irish unless a different approach to the matter was taken.

"Re: your initial point about burning the tricolour. If it as you state that you are only burning it to show hatred of republicans, then you'd better start burning the starry plough or something else as the flag actually represents the only (far from flawless but) properly functioning on this island. It would be very difficult to interpret such an action as anything other than unjustified hatred of all things Irish unless a different approach to the matter was taken."

I'm going to answer on Beano's behalf if it's OK as he seems to have gone an ill-deserved siesta!
As a kid my parents stopped us from attending some of the more *interesting* bonfires in E Belfast. Too many yahoos and I'd guess perhaps (shock horror* Unionists with integrity) possibly sectarianism.
The bonfire originally (check the history it goes back a looong way) was a celebration that despite everything thrown at us over 400+ years we are still here on the island of Ireland. Yeah, I suppose now also a two fingers to the Provos, Sinn fein etc but is that really that surprising after what's gone on over the last 35 years?
The point that i'm trying to a make is that the burning of the irish flag imo is not that clever an expression of the above emotion and I'd rather it didn;t happen but I can understand it. Until our national identity and history and right to have a differnet opinion is accepted by the rest of the island you're going to continue to get it. If it makes you feel any better this year were I'm from, this year they grilled sausages and burgers rather Gerry Adams.
Progress comes in very small steps.
And IMO the Starry Plough has a lot more legitimacy than the tricolour, and there was a group group from E Belfast and the Shankill that thought exactly the same thing at Bodenstown 1935. But the IRA couldn't cope with it (Google it)

Will everyone just take a leaf from Spiral's book and not take life so seriously. Will everyone just stand up and answer Ireland's Call. We're all Irish brother. Beano, now that Armagh and Donegal are not in the All Ireland(even though you do not write about it, and this site is supposed to be everything ulster) are Donegal and Armagh not in Ulster? Anyhow Beano, will you be supporting the Dubs for the All Ireland? come on Dublin!

Sorry Dan, I'm on an anti-Bullshit crusade. Beano

How would Armagh not be in Ulster? You've lost me on that one - just because I don't write about Gaelic Games I don't think Armagh is in Ulster? Forgive me if I dont follow your logic.

And Donegal is in Occupied Ulster.

Any comment on the topic Spiral?

Beano, let's not get into this, we're all Irish, let's answer Ireland's call, you write about everything ulster, why didn't you write about Armagh in the and Donegal in the All Ireland quarter final yesterday, that's all I'm saying. Any comments Beano?

Explain Beano what you mean by 'And Donegal is in Occupied Ulster'

Occupied by who? It's rightful owner. Ireland should never of been separated. The majority of Irish people on your island want one Ireland.

It's the way it should be, What are you going to do when there's a vote on your island for 1 Ireland, and you know the majority will vote in favour of it.

Your all Irish. On behalf of my country(England), I'd like to apologise for the hurt and pain the Irish people have gone through.

Spiral - simply because I couldn't give a flying fuck about GAA.

English, I don't even know where to start correcting that... but I suggest a few school lessons are in order.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank......myself for making this one of the most successful all time threads in the glorious history of E6C. I would like everyone to know that I will gladly accept any personal congratulatory messages and that this would be the correct thread to do so. Even though my last thread was deleted for questioning the title of this blog, for which there can be no comeback other than to delete legitimate queries, I would also like to thank Beano for his contributions as well.

English and proud
Well said, may your country, scotland and wales get their independence and join the new Ireland as brothers in Europe.

PS Who is occupying the 3 counties, and what should be done about the situation??

Regards,
Dantheman.

Dan -

your last post (not thread) was deleted due to juvenile, unfounded accusations you made against me. Oh and I don't consider off topic waffle about whether or not I should be allowed to call my site EverythingUlster when I don't discuss GAA "a success", however I will post my reasoning behind that another day (although I'm sure you'll do your best to drag that miles off-topic too).

Occupied Ulster (by the way that was tongue-in-cheek dan, just in case you might take something a bit too seriously) is currently occupied by the breakaway southern state - at least my point was that it's as "occupied" by the Republic as Northern Ireland is "occupied" by Britain. But don't worry, when I'm God I'll let you keep Cavan

I knew you were only joking about the 3 counties being occupied!

As far as what English said, apart from ambivlanece about "its the way it should be" (although most people in Ireland, RoI and the UK disagree with the unionist POV) everything he said was 100% true.

It may be true but it also proves nothing. For example:

"The majority of Irish people on your island want one Ireland. "

I'd be delighted with one Ireland and when the Republic is happy to reapply for membership of the UK I'll be the first to applaud their moves towards reunification.

Alternatively, if the majority of people in North America want the USA to annex Canada, should Canada then forfeit it's right to self-determination? Of course not, and neither should Northern Ireland.

"You're all Irish"

Well to a certain extent that's true. The problem, and another topic in itself, is the Southern State trying to declare itself equivalent to and give itself supreme authority over "Ireland". In other words Ireland and Irish has come to generally mean the southern state, to which we don't belong - this is why many have an adverse reaction to being labelled "Irish" - but as I said that's a whole other issue (and one I really should post about when I'm not so pressed for time).

Beano about your last comment, your talking bollox, my cousins are from Belfast and they're as Irish as George Best or Roy Keane-two of the best football players to come from Ireland. You don't tell me my cousins aren't Irish, they're prob more Irish than me. Anyhow, English makes a good point, When the whole island votes for one Ireland, hope you'll be ready for it. Democracy wins

DP - if they've taught you to read in school yet, perhaps you could re-read my comment and answer where I've said that people from Belfast can't be Irish. Frankly I couldn't give a flying one if your cousins describe themselves as Martian, that's up tothem.

And English doesn't make a good point, I've already dealt with it, but I'll spell it out. The whole world can vote for a united Ireland, but it won't make one bit of difference unless Northern Ireland votes for it (and we won't be doing that any time soon).

"When the whole island votes for one Ireland, hope you'll be ready for it. Democracy wins"

Ah here you go Dublin Prod ( btw, why do you insist putting your religion down, do you think anyone here
really cares, strikes me as being a bit, well, sectarian) the Good Friday Agreement.

Read it and weep lads

http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:kCcq7Z0vZIYJ:www.explore.parliament.uk/Parliament.aspx%3Fid%3D10390%26glossary%3Dtrue+Good+Friday+Agreement+Principle+of+Consent&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=5

"The Good Friday agreement on the future of Northern Ireland was signed on 10 April 1998 after more than two years of negotiations between the various parties involved. The main elements of the agreement were:

i) A formal acceptance by the British and Irish Governments of the principle of consent, which recognises that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and will remain so for as long as that is the wish of the majority of people who live there"

Well that looks pretty cut and dried then,
wouldnt you say?
The majority of people who live in NI will have the final say so, not yourself or our friend on the mainland.. Being "across the water" and obviously a bit confused about *irish* politics, he has at least an excuse for his ignorance, what's yours?

And Beano, I'd like to echo the complaints earlier made about your lack of comprehensive sports coverage on this here site. Not only did you miss out some the Ballygomuck v Portavogie Camogie
jamboree, where was your report on the European Swimming Championships and the Hungarian Grand Prix?

Dublin Prod,

I doubt up here you would be considered a real protestant for such views, just as devout protestants such as Wolfe Tone are reviled by the unionist community.

http://www.irishclub.org/IRELAND-MAP.jpg

Re: Ulster
Here is a map of Ireland, Ulster is the province towards the top. Ulster is an Irish province, therefore anyone with a blog called everything Ulster would at least have to acknowledge this fact. Further more MOST OF THE PEOPLE in Ulster would consider themselves Irish. I have noticed a discrepancy between the Ulster indicated on this map and the map at the top of this page. Would anyong like to hazard a guess as to why this is so?

"I doubt up here you would be considered a real protestant for such views, just as devout protestants such as Wolfe Tone are reviled by the unionist community"


No, just don't see why he feels it's so important to mention it.
Do you think it should it affect how we judge his comments simply because we know that his religion?

Paul, ok fair enough, just the people of Northern Ireland have the say whether they want 1 Ireland or not, It's going to happen eventually when the majority will vote in favour of 1 Ireland. What are you going to do then?

Beano- you said you'd welcome a united Ireland once the ROI reapply for membership into the UK. Just say if that were to happen, would you support home rule?

Scotland seems to have it's own parliament, however remains part of the UK.

Correct me if I'm wrong Beano. Any Comments?

Listen DP, even the dogs on the street know it will happen anyway. It is happening in the sense that the way the state was set up it was almost predestined to fail. Even up to the 1960's the Unionist dictatorship refused to fall in line with the rest of the UK in the sense of "one man one vote". They made NI a special case, a non-integral part of the UK. I sense there is a deep seated resentment in their community that they are forced to share power. It doesnt come naturallt to their mindset, so we will always need to keep one eye on the Orangeman until the day that we Irish citizens are allowed the same freedoms in this part of Ulster as in the rest of Ireland.

"just the people of Northern Ireland have the say whether they want 1 Ireland or not, It's going to happen eventually when the majority will vote in favour of 1 Ireland."

I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. At the minute only 25-27% of the electorate are voting for pro UI parties. The other 70-75 % are voting Unionists and more and more are not voting at all. I'm guessing the majority of those people who don't vote are happy to stay within the Uk even if they don't consider themselves British or vote for the Unionists.

" What are you going to do then? "

If it did happen, I'm a democrat I'd have to accept the descision. Wouldn't make me feel any more loyal to the concept of "Ireland" though and I'd feel absolutely no loyalty nor duty to the all-Ireland state.
I was born British and whatever happens I'll die British, demographics or politics (or even what other people think of my Britishness) won't change my national identity.

In short, you may have in the future, a 32 county Ireland but you'll never have a truly united Ireland, one of hearts and minds. But I guess that wonlt bother most nationalists or republicans anyway, the territory seems to be the be and end all.

"The territory seems to be the be all and end all anyway"

For a man who's people came here as a result of a plantation, that is a very strange thing to say!!

How do you know they did
As it happens they did, but that was well over 300 years ago, I'm not really responsible for their actions or even motivations.
But on the otherhand, I'm always being told of the moralhighground nationalists occupy so they should be showing a bit more of modern and PC attitude than 17 century Scottish farmers and artisans
more seriously wehave the political situation we want now, the onus is on nationalists to convince the uncommited why a UnitedIreland would be benefit for them. Simply saying it'llmake the whole island "one" won't be a strong enough argument

"We have the political situation we want now"

Are you serious?? Are you happy that you will never be PM of your own country, be able to vote for a party of government, be head of state or be unwanted by the majority of UK citizens. I personally would prefer to set the bar a little higher for myself in the sense of what input I would have in the running of my country.

" Are you happy that you will never be PM of your own country"

Technically or legally there's nothing stopping me from being PM.

"be able to vote for a party of government"

That's an argument for Uk parties organising here, which I'm in favour of.

,"be head of state"

As per PM, technically or legally (if any of the royals decided to marry me!) possible I suppose although the PM question is more important.

"or be unwanted by the majority of UK citizens"
and detested by the vast majority of the Irish!

No one likes us, we don't care ....!

Do they really care one way or the other, or is complete apathy the strongest attitude of most of them towards us?
Doesn't matter either way to me,to be honest, they won't determine our constitutional future.

I am never ceased to be amazed by unionists who think that the apathy directed towards them by them by their fellow UK citizens who pay their bills can be regarded as a positive thing for their standing in the UK.

" think that the apathy directed towards them by them by their fellow UK citizens who pay their bills can be regarded as a positive thing for their standing in the UK"

It is a well-established piece of Republican dogma that mainland Britain is seething with a hatred of the bad ol' Unionists.
It isn't.
The vast majority of people couldn't give a fiddlers one way or the other. Once the Provos stopped killing English children, blowing up pubs and the like, people lost interest in what goes on in NI.

Ask someone in Surrey about how much he cares about what goes on in Cornwall, Anglesy or the Highlands or even NI, you'll get the answer in each case "Not very much". The UK is a comparitively big nation, people naturally are only concerned about what goes on in their own wee part of it.

Re "paying our bills", I pay taxes just the same as anyone else in the UK. Also to keep NI up and running costs each Brit taxpayer around about 7GBP a month, Scotland only slightly less.
If we ever have to join up with the ROI, the cost to the average citizen down South would be a helluva lot more than that (I've seen figures of approx 1200 Euros per year)....that might get some armchair nationalists in Limerick and elsewhere thinking about how much they really want 800,000 stroppy Unionists coming in to muck up their rather pleasant and peaceful country.

Finally, in my work I get to meet quite a few people from the ROI. If and when the talk gets round to politics the question of unity for most of them is starting to fade away much more so than it is for the typical Northern Ireland nationalist- they simply don't want the expense and the hassle that " Irish Unity would bring".
So apathy rules everywhere!