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Sean Kelly Freed From Maghaberry
I just heard the headline on the UTV evening news but apparently he hasn't actually been acquitted of becoming re-involved in terrorism. According to the BBC Sean Kelly has been given "temporary release pending an application to the Sentence Review Commission" - effectively it seems he's out on bail.
The BBC's security editor Brian Rowan and the UTV report seem to believe the move is likely be a precusor to an IRA statement on its future tomorrow.
Update The NIO have confirmed that they are indeed that spineless and that Kelly was released as a pre-statement sop to the IRA
Meanwhile, Unionist politicians are said to be looking into whether or not it is legal for Sean Kelly to be released before his case is heard. It seems they think Secretary of State Peter Hain has overstepped his authority by making this latest sop to republicans.
If any of this is true, is it any wonder London is coming under attack? British government ministers in Northern Ireland letting themeselves be blackmailed by Irish terrorists sends a clear message to any other terrorists about the sort of response they'll get to their heinous attacks on the United Kingdom.
Follow up:
If there's anything positive in this, I suppose it might give us a day or two free of Sinn Fein's mope-ing, until they find something else to bitch about (the soap in their hotel rooms being Orange perhaps?). On the other hand they'll probably spend the intermittent time gloating like this is some sort of victory (Martin McGuinness has already been on the news giving a press conference).
The bottom line is that Sean Kelly's imprisonment was nothing to complain about (are you listening Divis?); it was part of the rules of the release scheme. Sinn Fein/the IRA seemed happy enough with the rules when they were getting all their terrorist activists out of gaol free. Yet when the rules are followed and someone suspected of being involved in terrorism is put back in prison, they want him freed regardless of whether the allegations are true. The provisional movement are completely devoid of morals.
Despite what Sinn Fein would have you believe, due process is being followed. Kelly's case will be heard before the Sentence Review Commission, as agreed in the Good Friday Agreement of 1998, which Sinn Fein still say they support.
One thing I may end up agreeing with them on though. If he isn't found guilty of the charges and returned to gaol, I'll be wanting to know why he was re-arrested in the first place.
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Comment from: Chris Gakin [Visitor] · http://www.gaskinbalrog.blogspot.com
Great news about Seán
I guantee you Beano, come Thursday he will be released for good
I guantee you Beano, come Thursday he will be released for good
27 Jul 2005 @ 23:57
I'm not sure how the process works, but when Jonny Adair, and any other prisoners in the situation Kelly now finds himself in, were returned to prison, I don't recall them being released before their Sentence Review hearing...
If this is an exception being made for Mr Hain's good buddies in the IRA I'll be quite disgusted. The reports didn't mention any sort of process to determine whether prisoners in these circumstances should be freed until the hearing either.
Just another carrot dangled in front of the IRA to encourage them to behave like good little terrorists should and keep their bombs away from London? The government obviously haven't learned from what happened to the carrots of prisoner releases and ministerial positions.
If this is an exception being made for Mr Hain's good buddies in the IRA I'll be quite disgusted. The reports didn't mention any sort of process to determine whether prisoners in these circumstances should be freed until the hearing either.
Just another carrot dangled in front of the IRA to encourage them to behave like good little terrorists should and keep their bombs away from London? The government obviously haven't learned from what happened to the carrots of prisoner releases and ministerial positions.
28 Jul 2005 @ 01:13
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
"The move is likely be a precusor to an IRA statement on its future tomorrow."
If the New Labour government are willing to release a man whom the Northern Ireland Office accuse of active terrorist involvement, in a way as has been suggested, contradictory to due process (or certainly the process to which others were subjected) in a bid simply to appease terrorists, what other unjust, humiliating, potentially life threatening (for us) concessions will they be prepared to make? This is an empowered political body who have given unprecedented legitimisation to the I.R.A.
and who seem to be openly appeasing terrorists by giving them a clear run in criminality, makes no attempt to promote any awareness of the I.R.A.'s true nature on the international stage, (and lets remember the impact these bastards have had in places where members have raised their heads) and seem perfectly content to give Republicans enquiry after enquiry but makes no attempt to ask the Dublin government to investigate its own state infrastructure and bring to account those who manipulated it for murderous purposes (many of whom are still lorded as heroes in a state where they still put up statues to people who perpetrated massacres). In my opinion we are now at the beginning of a process which will sanitise the public perceptions of the I.R.A. without making any attempt to bring them to bear the responsibility for their crimes, repent their actions, concede their criminality, or bring a wider understanding to humanity of the violence and madness of the I.R.A.,When they make their little statement they will be treated like they have won world peace as opposed to the reality where all they've done is agree to stop murdering, crippling,dealing and ruining peoples lives........ wait and see. Sean Kelly being put above the law on the grounds that (unlike John Adair) he is attached to an extremely wealthy political party/ terrorist movement (which is well connect and well respected throughout the globe, believe me) is just the beginning.
If the New Labour government are willing to release a man whom the Northern Ireland Office accuse of active terrorist involvement, in a way as has been suggested, contradictory to due process (or certainly the process to which others were subjected) in a bid simply to appease terrorists, what other unjust, humiliating, potentially life threatening (for us) concessions will they be prepared to make? This is an empowered political body who have given unprecedented legitimisation to the I.R.A.
and who seem to be openly appeasing terrorists by giving them a clear run in criminality, makes no attempt to promote any awareness of the I.R.A.'s true nature on the international stage, (and lets remember the impact these bastards have had in places where members have raised their heads) and seem perfectly content to give Republicans enquiry after enquiry but makes no attempt to ask the Dublin government to investigate its own state infrastructure and bring to account those who manipulated it for murderous purposes (many of whom are still lorded as heroes in a state where they still put up statues to people who perpetrated massacres). In my opinion we are now at the beginning of a process which will sanitise the public perceptions of the I.R.A. without making any attempt to bring them to bear the responsibility for their crimes, repent their actions, concede their criminality, or bring a wider understanding to humanity of the violence and madness of the I.R.A.,When they make their little statement they will be treated like they have won world peace as opposed to the reality where all they've done is agree to stop murdering, crippling,dealing and ruining peoples lives........ wait and see. Sean Kelly being put above the law on the grounds that (unlike John Adair) he is attached to an extremely wealthy political party/ terrorist movement (which is well connect and well respected throughout the globe, believe me) is just the beginning.
28 Jul 2005 @ 10:16
"(many of whom are still lorded as heroes in a state where they still put up statues to people who perpetrated massacres)"
What else would you expect from a country that has (or had up until last year, I'm not sure if it's still there) a statue of a Nazi sympathiser(yes, an actual Irishman who wanted to assist the German world war 2 Nazis) in their capital.
Lovely chaps.
What else would you expect from a country that has (or had up until last year, I'm not sure if it's still there) a statue of a Nazi sympathiser(yes, an actual Irishman who wanted to assist the German world war 2 Nazis) in their capital.
Lovely chaps.
28 Jul 2005 @ 10:25
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
he has been beheaded though ,(apparently theres a German pub in dingle, run by some elderly Germans....)
go to waterford and look at the statues there.
dont you think the madia attitude (the independant recently had "Gerry Adams in his most revealing interview ever") towards these guys is changing to? I mean the media in England was always quite left wing, and anyone from a rich country who read Marx or Buckinin (?-the '10 principles of destruction' guy) as a teenager will find political violence stimulating and the pop star propaganda of the I.R.A. very much so, but some of the language used and the angles taken seem to justify (or alternativly leave out) the worst of I.R.A. aggression,(David Mackiterick) if the I.R.A. are being supported and sanitised on many fronts (and i say absolutely they are), it simply reinforces the D.U.P.'s pro-active stance on the evil nature of Harry Potter..............?..............
(i.e. they are failing to deal with key criitical issues, such as Phil Flynn and the Bank of Scotland, the state of the police the appointment of Peter Hain etc. , ahhh- well, at least they've tried to reduce freedom of expression and deprive our kids of a truely magical (he-he) peice of fantasy.)
go to waterford and look at the statues there.
dont you think the madia attitude (the independant recently had "Gerry Adams in his most revealing interview ever") towards these guys is changing to? I mean the media in England was always quite left wing, and anyone from a rich country who read Marx or Buckinin (?-the '10 principles of destruction' guy) as a teenager will find political violence stimulating and the pop star propaganda of the I.R.A. very much so, but some of the language used and the angles taken seem to justify (or alternativly leave out) the worst of I.R.A. aggression,(David Mackiterick) if the I.R.A. are being supported and sanitised on many fronts (and i say absolutely they are), it simply reinforces the D.U.P.'s pro-active stance on the evil nature of Harry Potter..............?..............
(i.e. they are failing to deal with key criitical issues, such as Phil Flynn and the Bank of Scotland, the state of the police the appointment of Peter Hain etc. , ahhh- well, at least they've tried to reduce freedom of expression and deprive our kids of a truely magical (he-he) peice of fantasy.)
28 Jul 2005 @ 10:45
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
"Great news about Seán"- If this is the attitude of our Irish neighbours, heaven help us - it also shows you what a joke 'Sinn Fein peace' really is.
"You will not find Christs peace until you pick up Christs sword" - Padraig Pearce
"You will not find Christs peace until you pick up Christs sword" - Padraig Pearce
28 Jul 2005 @ 11:04
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'Historic' IRA Statement "Ends Armed Campaign"
Yep folks, that moment you've all been waiting for. No, not lunchtime, I'm just finished thanks.
The provisional IRA have stated that they're ending the "armed campaign" (read terrorist bloodfest) that they forced on this country for 35 years. Isn'...
Yep folks, that moment you've all been waiting for. No, not lunchtime, I'm just finished thanks.
The provisional IRA have stated that they're ending the "armed campaign" (read terrorist bloodfest) that they forced on this country for 35 years. Isn'...
28 Jul 2005 @ 13:37
Comment from: aonghus [Visitor]
What else would you expect from a country that has (or had up until last year, I'm not sure if it's still there) a statue of a Nazi (yes, an actual German world war 2 Nazi) in their capital.
Frank Ryan was not German, or a Nazi. He fought on the republican side in the Spanish Civil War, and was handed over to the German authorities.
The UK has plenty of statues of people who historically were responsible for massacres, often of their own people.
28 Jul 2005 @ 13:50
My mistake, he wasn't an actual German nazi, just their friend in Ireland.
I was referring to this chap, Sean Russel.
I've edited my earlier comment accordingly.
I was referring to this chap, Sean Russel.
Although an open ally of the Nazis, Russell is still honoured by the modern IRA and Sinn Fein. In September 2003, Sinn Fein MEP Mary Lou McDonald spoke at a rally to commemorate Russell in the north Dublin park. The same rally was also addressed by veteran IRA man Brian Keenan.
I've edited my earlier comment accordingly.
28 Jul 2005 @ 14:18
Comment from: aonghus [Visitor]
OK.
I'd quibble with the "Nazi sympathiser" - he was more an "Englands difficulty is Irelands opportunity" bloke like Frank Ryan. But I don't know enough detail, and I'm happy enough with the revised comment. It was "a country which puts up statues to Nazis" which raised my hackles.
I'd quibble with the "Nazi sympathiser" - he was more an "Englands difficulty is Irelands opportunity" bloke like Frank Ryan. But I don't know enough detail, and I'm happy enough with the revised comment. It was "a country which puts up statues to Nazis" which raised my hackles.
28 Jul 2005 @ 16:47
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
"The UK has plenty of statues of people who historically were responsible for massacres, often of their own people -"
Isnt it wrong for a Republican to say that Britain doing something is reason for Irish people to do it ? If you follow the example of the so-called oppressor -and are determined their influence should be removed from 'your country'. What does this suggest about how we should react to Your nations attempt to govern us?
Isnt it wrong for a Republican to say that Britain doing something is reason for Irish people to do it ? If you follow the example of the so-called oppressor -and are determined their influence should be removed from 'your country'. What does this suggest about how we should react to Your nations attempt to govern us?
28 Jul 2005 @ 16:52
Comment from: aonghus [Visitor]
Who said I was an Irish republican?
I am Irish, yes. My comment was a reaction to a slur on the State I live in ("a country that has a statue of a Nazi"), which was overly simplistic, and Beano has since modified.
For the record, I think Irish history is more complex than either a simplistic Unionist or Republican reading of it.
I don't know what my politics would be if I were in the North, since what formed my opinions would be different. So I tend not to comment on that aspect.
I am Irish, yes. My comment was a reaction to a slur on the State I live in ("a country that has a statue of a Nazi"), which was overly simplistic, and Beano has since modified.
For the record, I think Irish history is more complex than either a simplistic Unionist or Republican reading of it.
I don't know what my politics would be if I were in the North, since what formed my opinions would be different. So I tend not to comment on that aspect.
29 Jul 2005 @ 09:22
Comment from: aonghus [Visitor]
And what exactly is the point of this comment of yours, Paul?
"apparently theres a German pub in dingle, run by some elderly Germans...."
Are you suggesting these people are Nazis too?
"apparently theres a German pub in dingle, run by some elderly Germans...."
Are you suggesting these people are Nazis too?
29 Jul 2005 @ 09:24
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
I'm suggest there are (apparently) some old Germans at Krugers bar in dingle , and i'm suggesting that they might have got their due to the fact that this was a Nazi smuggling route and that a number of southerns were unduely sympathetic to the ideology of Nazism. Who was the only leader (post Auchwitz liberation mind) to apologise and send respect to their Nazi embacey on the death of Hitler? I dont mean to be rude aonghus, as you seem a considerate, well rounded chap, unfortunatly the same could not and cannot be said of the state you live in (nor mine mate dont get me wrong).
A state where they still praise Irish Nazi colaberators.
A state where they still praise Irish Nazi colaberators.
29 Jul 2005 @ 12:53
Comment from: aonghus [Visitor]
I'm afraid you're clueless about the South, Paul.
Krugers is named after a local man. He was nicknamed "Kruger" when he was in primary school during the Boer war, and the nickname stuck for life. The pub's name stayed that way.
DeValera did not "apologise" on Hitlers death. He did send in his condolences, since Ireland, as a neutral country, still had diplomatic relations with Germany.
But there was no movement in Ireland like Oswald's "British Union of Facists".
Does the fact that the largest monument in Dublin is to Wellington mean that we are still British imperialists? The Sean Russell statue was not put up the State, but by a private group. Another private group just put up a statue in Carrigaline, Co Cork to Francis Drake; the unveiling was attended by a Minister, and a colur party from the Irish Navy. Does that mean we are British imperialists?
Krugers is named after a local man. He was nicknamed "Kruger" when he was in primary school during the Boer war, and the nickname stuck for life. The pub's name stayed that way.
DeValera did not "apologise" on Hitlers death. He did send in his condolences, since Ireland, as a neutral country, still had diplomatic relations with Germany.
But there was no movement in Ireland like Oswald's "British Union of Facists".
Does the fact that the largest monument in Dublin is to Wellington mean that we are still British imperialists? The Sean Russell statue was not put up the State, but by a private group. Another private group just put up a statue in Carrigaline, Co Cork to Francis Drake; the unveiling was attended by a Minister, and a colur party from the Irish Navy. Does that mean we are British imperialists?
29 Jul 2005 @ 13:02
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
Not sure im 'clueless' aonghus, not fully informed I’ll admit, Ireland was not the only neutral country, yet the only one to send its condolences. Diplomacy with newly liberated Germany and condoling the death of a tyrant are very different things. The south, I hold, correct me if I’m wrong, did fully get behind Hitler as far as their geographical position would permit, only (like Italy) to change their tune when it became clear they were on the wrong side, tell me this, if Hitler had won (defeated the heroes of the United Kingdom) would there or would there not have been fan fare on the streets of Dublin? Given the morality a Nazi Europe and what it would permit, what do you think the next move of Hitler’s I.R.A. chums (and if you look at the picture of Sean Russell on the U-BOAT they are all getting along great) would have been? Towards the Protestants (bear in mind what the cowards did to the Protestants in Cork and Munster and south Dublin after the emergence of the Free State)
Mosley =O’Grady, although your right, there were British fascists to, only we call them traitors and don’t give them honour in statues.
Francis Drake - I'm sure this statue is for his naval abilities rather than a political (Nazi-associated) stance. Not all statues are political.
(Bomber Harris was not a war loving head case, in my opinion aonghus) nor am I saying this statue reflects the worth of individual Republic citizens, I'm saying
Its indicatives of the moral shortcomings of the state.
O.k. the Kruger’s comment was a done only half seriously (I was amused by the thought of walking into a quiet country pub in the south and see some dude in a spike-helmet and balloon trousers saying "ja ,mit you are want se pnt af de guiness?"So sorry, but it was a route for Nazi guns and that’s disgraceful.
Cheer up you can say "yous did all the bad stuff†just as much as we can - I think we could all get along so simply
But Republicans must accept them and their state did bad stuff to.......
Mosley =O’Grady, although your right, there were British fascists to, only we call them traitors and don’t give them honour in statues.
Francis Drake - I'm sure this statue is for his naval abilities rather than a political (Nazi-associated) stance. Not all statues are political.
(Bomber Harris was not a war loving head case, in my opinion aonghus) nor am I saying this statue reflects the worth of individual Republic citizens, I'm saying
Its indicatives of the moral shortcomings of the state.
O.k. the Kruger’s comment was a done only half seriously (I was amused by the thought of walking into a quiet country pub in the south and see some dude in a spike-helmet and balloon trousers saying "ja ,mit you are want se pnt af de guiness?"So sorry, but it was a route for Nazi guns and that’s disgraceful.
Cheer up you can say "yous did all the bad stuff†just as much as we can - I think we could all get along so simply
But Republicans must accept them and their state did bad stuff to.......
29 Jul 2005 @ 14:16
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
goodness aonghus the comment "(Bomber Harris was not a war loving head case, in my opinion aonghus)" should have read (Bomber Harris was a war loving head case, in my opinion aonghus) . sorry about that and to any Europeans (or Dresden people) who read that . I think the man was a nutcase.
29 Jul 2005 @ 14:21
Comment from: aonghus [Visitor]
The south, I hold, correct me if I’m wrong, did fully get behind Hitler as far as their geographical position would permit, only (like Italy) to change their tune when it became clear they were on the wrong side.
Nonsense. The accurate history of the period will show that Ireland stayed neutral because public opinion would not support siding with Britain so soon after the War of Independence. But it was "neutral on the side of the allies", much as it is in the Iraq war now. Any apparent support for Germany was on the lines of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", nothing to do with support for Facism.
You need to get a more mature attitude to the state in the south, otherwise I'll start believing republicans who say Unionists are all bigoted! (tongue in cheek).
some dude in a spike-helmet and balloon trousers
You have a very odd idea of German dress.
29 Jul 2005 @ 15:38
Comment from: paul connor [Visitor]
Ok (lol) maybe its not the average German i seen in my head (i did assume he'd be in full Prussian battle dress (im a zany guy).........
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend",
they would be Hitlers freind purely on the ground he fought the U.K. ? and thats ok? well, i hate Saddam Huissain ,does that mean i side with George Bush?
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend",
is a common excuse in Southern history books that deal with the period , the photos of rallies of people seig heiling (and holding tricolours) the parrallels between the writtings of Pat pearce and mein kampf, the antisemetic remarks of Dev. ("we have,....few,.....but enough Jews.....") .The nazi radio station,the u-boats on the liffy(sorry about spelling),the armaments, the I.R.A. wanting to help out on operation Sealion (the comiserations ,post auchwitz!, of the death of Hitler!!!!Adolf Hitler!!!!!) The idea of a raceally centred nation, the idea that war can lead to paradise on earth,......come on you know they were loving every minute, (then theres the Belfast blitz and the Ardyone strobe effect.....) i think the comparison of ideologies in German and Ireland at the time reveal that the modern Irish historian (i've noticed you country's complete inability to admit fault,sorry , but i have) might not be so accurate as you think.
I think the South is a great place and full of wonderful, touchingly decent people, but Irish politics is a vomitorium -
on both sides.sorry.
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend",
they would be Hitlers freind purely on the ground he fought the U.K. ? and thats ok? well, i hate Saddam Huissain ,does that mean i side with George Bush?
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend",
is a common excuse in Southern history books that deal with the period , the photos of rallies of people seig heiling (and holding tricolours) the parrallels between the writtings of Pat pearce and mein kampf, the antisemetic remarks of Dev. ("we have,....few,.....but enough Jews.....") .The nazi radio station,the u-boats on the liffy(sorry about spelling),the armaments, the I.R.A. wanting to help out on operation Sealion (the comiserations ,post auchwitz!, of the death of Hitler!!!!Adolf Hitler!!!!!) The idea of a raceally centred nation, the idea that war can lead to paradise on earth,......come on you know they were loving every minute, (then theres the Belfast blitz and the Ardyone strobe effect.....) i think the comparison of ideologies in German and Ireland at the time reveal that the modern Irish historian (i've noticed you country's complete inability to admit fault,sorry , but i have) might not be so accurate as you think.
I think the South is a great place and full of wonderful, touchingly decent people, but Irish politics is a vomitorium -
on both sides.sorry.
29 Jul 2005 @ 16:26
Comment from: aonghus [Visitor]
the parallels between the writings of Patrick Pearse and mein kampf
You have, of course, studied both?
From here:
In his 1937 Constitution, de Valera described the "special position" of the Catholic Church as the church of the great majority of Irish men and women (that "special position" was removed by an overwhelming majority in a 1972 referendum). He then went on to list the other denominations then functioning in Ireland as entitled to recognition, legitimacy, and protection, among them "the Jewish Congregations." I have been reliably informed that de Valera was determined to assert Jewish civil rights in the Constitution so that no succeeding government could easily abolish them, as the Nazis had done in Germany. To single out the Jews would be controversial. The solution was to name all Ireland's religious groups. Jewish rights were not, of course, de Valera's chief or only purpose in listing these groups. He continued to hope for a reunion with Northern Ireland, with its Protestant majority. But in the atmosphere of 1930s Europe he was making an important statement.
Though neutral, he assisted the Allied cause in various ways. Allied airmen who landed or crashed in Ireland were quietly returned to Britain; German airmen were interned for the duration. Militant IRA members who might have sabotaged the British war effort were imprisoned. Irish volunteers manned lookout stations all along the Irish coast and reported any sightings of U-boats or bombers to the British. Irish fire brigades were sent north when Belfast was bombed.
29 Jul 2005 @ 17:19
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Godwin's Law and The Republic's Role in World War 2
Perhaps it's evidence of Godwin's Law, but I made a reference (originally an inaccurate one - thanks Aonghus) to a Dublin statue to a celebrated Republican and a Nazi sympathiser, Sean Russel as something of an off-the-cuff remark in the thread about S...
Perhaps it's evidence of Godwin's Law, but I made a reference (originally an inaccurate one - thanks Aonghus) to a Dublin statue to a celebrated Republican and a Nazi sympathiser, Sean Russel as something of an off-the-cuff remark in the thread about S...
29 Jul 2005 @ 18:21
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comment moved to Eire's WW2 Role thread here
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01 Aug 2005 @ 10:19
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Shankill Victims to Meet Secretary of State
Family members of victims of the Shankill Bomb yesterday met secretary of state Peter Hain. Michelle Williamson and Bobby Baird both travelled to London yesterday to convey their distaste for Mr Hain's "gutless" decision to let Sean Kelly out of prison...
Family members of victims of the Shankill Bomb yesterday met secretary of state Peter Hain. Michelle Williamson and Bobby Baird both travelled to London yesterday to convey their distaste for Mr Hain's "gutless" decision to let Sean Kelly out of prison...
04 Aug 2005 @ 15:40
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