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Are Catholics Funnier Than Protestants?
I attended the comedy night in the empire to find myself wondering (before alcohol severely reduced my ability to reason) why there always seem to be so many more catholics/culchies in there than regular normal run-of-the-mill prods? I understand that students from the predominantly protestant and unionist east of the province are much more likely to travel to the mainland for university, but is there more to it than that?
Week in week out the question is asked "How many prods in the house?" quickly followed by "How many taigs in the house?" Without exception the second cheer is louder, and without exception the standup will say something like "I bet you two wish you'd kept quiet now."
There could be any number of reasons for this, the first of which I mentioned above about there simply being more catholic students in Northern Ireland due to the increased willingness of protestant students to travel elsewhere in the British Isles for university - but can that explain it all?
Follow up:
Is it due to the more rural nature of the catholic population that they're simply more inclined to respond with a loud cheer to such a question? Is it because the few protestants there have been before and know what's coming? Or is it because protestants are less likely to attend this sort of night?
I don't buy the sense-of-humour bypass theory, and I'm not sure the travels of protestant students can explain it all either. Perhaps its the nature of the show that's put on (there tends to be at least some degree of common English-bashing each week).
I do have one theory that may be more worrying though. Have we simply reached the stage where the protestants/unionists in Northern Ireland have reached the stage of an intimidated minority, afraid to speak out (despite actually being a numerical majority)? I can't help but wonder if it's simply that they've had guilt drummed into them for so long that they don't want to speak up.
Consider the situation in England - a comic comes onto the stage and asks "How many white folk have we in?" and then "Have we any Asians in the house?". Am I wrong in thinking it's entirely possible the second question would receive a much more voiciferous response (assuming the presence of about 20% asian-descent folk)?
Why? Is this just guilt - a symptom of an overly political correct society? Perhaps the audience is largely upper-working to lower-middle class. Such socio-economic status seems to bring with it a sense of guilt on the majority side. They seem more or less embarrassed by the actions of the radicals on their side of the fence and that is not mirrored by the same classes of people on the minority side.
The problem with this though, if it's true, is that it only feeds the extremes. They can now portray themselves as a true minority, because not only are they up against "the other side" they're up against those with 'guilty-prod syndrome' (a term I picked up from one of the wankers at LoveUlster).
So, are these happenings a complete irrelevance due to some obscure factor (like the proximity of the Empire to the Holylands? or the number of Protestants who head to the mainland for uni?) or is it the sign of a deeper guilt/inner shame or even fear where they feel that they are unable to be proud of or even admit who they are?
Any thoughts?
I'll clear up now that I'm drunk writing this, so if I've caused any offence (I hope I didn't), I apologise.
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Amongst the Protestant middle-class there is a guilt complex about what went on discrimination-wise etc pre 1970.
A similar complex doesn't seem to exist amongst younger nationalists/republicans for the attrocities carried out on their behalf by the IRA during the period of the Troubles.
In both cases, today's generation of both sides carry no responsibiltiy for the crimes which were carried out before they were even born.
But part of Republican long-term tactics over the last twenty years or so, has been the use of black propaganda, a demonising of the majority community both on the mainland and farther afield.
This has resulted in the phenomenon you mentioned in your post
Who were the comedians?
A complete irrelevance due to the proximity of Botanic Avenue to the Holylands is my guess.
Obviously the location of the Empire and the demographics of student population are a factor, but given the central location and the fact that the demographics are only (I think) about 60-40, I don't think either or both can account for the phenomenon on their own.
For my part I think I've developed the idea that it's "bad form" to talk about which side you're on in case it raises awkward questions, not to mention the general unease people have discussing politics with strangers. Perhaps such feelings aren't as common among the Catholic population? (Just raising a theory looking for insight here..)
I think its a combination of these factors, rather than any other deeper reason. or at least that's the impression I get.
I agree that there's a general unease about talking about poltiics to strangers. I'm about as political a person as you're likely to find but I still wouldn't tend to bring the topic up, espicially amongst strangers. But i think its just a gnereal politeness in ways. There's would be nothing worse than to end up in a conversation about who did x,y or z 20 or 30 years ago with somebody you barely know.
"A similar complex doesn't seem to exist amongst younger nationalists/republicans for the attrocities carried out on their behalf by the IRA during the period of the Troubles."
That's a sweeping statement which I personally take issue with. I am a 'younger nationalist' so to speak, and I think you'll find that this doesn't prevent from condemning IRA activity and killings. They did not do it on my behalf, nor on the behalf of most nationalists, hence the fact that Sinn Féin got miniscule votes during the Troubles. The IRA killed more Catholics than any other organisation, so they're certainly no friend of our's.
Don't presume to think that just because SF do well now, that means they get a retrospective carte-blanche for all IRA atrocities in the past. I happen to oppose SF politically, but I know those who support them do not do so because they support the IRA- on the contrary, most do it to show they support SF's political course.
You've taken my comment out of context.
I did go onto say (or at least imply) that in both cases the younger generation do not carry any responsibility for crimes carried out in their name.
The difference which I wanted to highlight is that amongst Protestant mc there is still a residual guilt complex- I believe this is unjustified.
What a shower of Godawful unfunny selfpraising arseholes they are, surely whatever the Empire had/has to offer, Prod or Taig has GOT to be more entertaining thatn that shower.
I won't even start on the whole in the wall gang except to say they illustrate perfectly how poor comedians can often succeed by appealing to the lowest common denominator.
id agree with PS here. the local students live at home and the culchies live in the city student areas. but i think just catholic and protestant would be better terms to use as i doubt all 18-21 year olds give a toss about politics..
also, when i was at jordanstown i remember the culchies being quite loud compared to us from the general belfast area. i think this is partly due to a more rough and ready upbringing in the country versus urban society being more socially sophisticated. eg. culchies often find loud farts and burps very amusing, where as urban students would have left that behind in primary school
In my day, culchie prods didn't go to places like the Empire and usually studied most of the week before heading
back up the M1 every Friday night to help with the cattle.
Did somebody say proddie work ethic?
