And then their WW2 allies beat them 1 nil. Slap it up them.

Lets's change those words slightly..

"Stand up if you hate the racist pricks!"

Good work Beano, some of the self-labelled "best fans in the world" show themselves up once again.

How insecure many of them really are, the only way they can express a pride in their "Irish Identity" is by singing how much they hate us.

Judging by the numbers in that video I reckon.. yep thats about every man woman and child in the republic! Jaysus that some lense yer man must have had..
Sbk, you are an idiot. Thousands of Irish men fought in the British and american armies In ww2. Not to mention the amount of Irish working in the factories in the British cities for the war effort. You know nothing about Irish history, you should keep your head up you arse where it belongs. Beano, you should be ashamed of yourself for letting that comment go unchecked..

All this form the we never offend anyone Irish republic supporters!

The BBC, UTV and RTE go hi and very low to show Northern Ireland supporters in a negative way. How come there where no BBC UTV or RTE cameras there to capture this for the six o'clock news. But there again that would not fit in with their republican agenda to show the republicans for the sectarian bigots they are now would it?

andy

I think in your rush to remind us about the Irish war effort, you forgot to give us you views on the anti-British racism seen in the video Beano posted.
Was it acceptable behaviour or not, do you think?

"Judging by the numbers in that video I reckon.. yep thats about every man woman and child in the republic! Jaysus that some lense yer man must have had.."

I know, it’s a bummer when a small bunch of scum (and I hope you do think they are scum?) gets a bad name for a whole support-base isn’t it?

Don’t worry we Northern Ireland fans know exactly how unfair that kind of blanket labelling is..

Several other links about Republic fans' behaviour you may find interesting: of course in each case, it’s only a *minority* of fans disgracing your country, but if this kind of sectarianism/racism/anti-semitism is something you ignore now, then the problem is only going to get worse.

1. Republic of Ireland fans attack protestant school-children:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2032339.stm

2.Republic of Ireland fans engaging in anti-semitic behaviour at last year’s match. with Israel:

http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/ire_4.html

3. Brian Kerr tells of the racist hate mail he received after choosing Clinton Morrison to play for the Republic.
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http://www.farenet.org/news_article.asp?intNewsID=555

Perhaps its time you took a leaf out of the IFA’s book and instigated a “Football for All" scheme before the problem gets any worse?

Andy, I'm quite happy to let that comment slide given the southern government's position in WW2. The attitude of it's people, thankfully, was somewhat different and I have no problem acknowledging that. However that is not a topic for this thread. You can continue that discussion on Godwin's Law and The Republic's Role in World War 2

Ranger, calm yourself. That old paranoia gene seems to be playing up again. With all those conspiracy theories you're starting to sound like a Sinner. You're right though, it would have been nice if the mainstream media would at least acknowledge it as a problem. However to suggest they go out of their way to highlight the problems in the NI fanbase is unfair.

As probably the only person here with dual German / UK nationally can somebody tell me why the RoI fans did not break into a chorus of ‘huns out,’ which was so kindly painted on my wall last year? It does seem a strange chant considering the 43 current listed RoI football players; 1 plays in RoI, 2 in Scotland, 1 in Spain and the remainder play in England, and of these 43- 13 were born in England and 1 in Scotland. It does not strike me as a very national team.

1: Judging by the accents in that video, they geezers in it are what is known down here as "scangers". Probably the same sort of people that hang around shopping centres in celtic jerseys looking unemployed.
2: Those incidents described are obviously Shinners in the north looking for an excuse to wreck the gaff, hardly representitave of your average Ireland fan ie me. Also, since when is being critical of Isreali Government policy anti-semetic? They have been hiding behind that one for long enough..
3: Irish football will never have a domestic league that will *ever* compete with the English leagues for money. As soon as any player is good enough, they move to england or scotland straight away. Therefore there will never be a player playing his trade in a domestic league in Ireland that will make the international side for reasons other than PR. All of the Uk born players are of (however tenous!) Irish descent; why shouldnt they get a chance Ireland or N Ireland if they wont get a game for england?

do you reckon it was dumb brits calling you a germn hun or dumb irish calling you a uk hun ?

i'd go out and write 'ey bunny after it if i were you... then again i did get my front window put in more than a few times...

welcome to the island of memories

this reminds me of the scots chanting "we hate the english more than you" at landsdowne road a few years back..are you going to cry racism at that too?

Wasn't it "We hate England?" At least they could have argued that that was in reference to a team rather than an entire people (whether that argument would have been the truth or not is perhaps questionable), nevertheless the argument could at least be made.

"The Brits" is clearly not referring to a football team though, since there is no UK team. It's just xenophobia, plain and simple.

Andy, from your previous comment:

“1: Judging by the accents in that video, they geezers in it are what is known down here as "scangers". Probably the same sort of people that hang around shopping centres in celtic jerseys looking unemployed”

That surprises me, I’d reckoned that the ROI supporters that actually come from the ROI didn’t suffer from the same sectarian and racist attitudes that some of the *Northern-based" ROI fans did.

“2: Those incidents described are obviously Shinners in the north looking for an excuse to wreck the gaff, hardly representitave of your average Ireland fan ie me.”

The main incident I mentioned was not simply an attack on property, it was Republc of Ireland fans attacking a bus of Protestant school children after a ROI match in the World Cup. They were definitely Northern ROI supporters, maybe they were also Shinners, that’s not really important.

“Also, since when is being critical of Isreali Government policy anti-semetic? They have been hiding behind that one for long enough”

If you read the article from the young Jewish journalist again, you’ll see that the abuse went far beyond what is an acceptable protest against Israel; for example, he mentions Irish fans giving “Sieg Heil” salutes. However you want to address it, I call that kind of behaviour anti-semitism.

Nobody is saying that the kind of scumbags seen in Stuttgart, Strabane or Dublin are anyway representative of ROI fans as a whole, I’m simply pointing out that you (like NI) have a problem with sectarianism and racism with an element of your support. However unlike most NI fans, you don’t seem willing to acknowledge this. Until you acknowledge the problem, then like a cancer it’ll grow and start to affect ever more seriously your support-base.

This from your latest comment:

"this reminds me of the scots chanting "we hate the english more than you" at landsdowne road a few years back..are you going to cry racism at that too?"

Well, yes of course it is racism, how would you describe it?

And as an indirect result of this kind of unacceptable attitude a number of innocent English people (including a handicapped guy and a 7 year old child) were attacked in Scotland during the World Cup. Proof if it were needed that even if it is thought just to be a bit of "innocent craic" chanting “We hate the Brits/English”, it helps to build up an unhealthy antagonism in the wider society.

But to go back to the original (!) topic of the post, the fact that a proportion of ROI fans seem to have a problem with both the British and their fellow (Northern) Irishmen of a different religion isn’t the main reason why I think an “All_Ireland” team wouldn’t work, but it sure would make me very wary about chancing a ROI International knowing that there are these kind of attitudes present amongst some of your supporters.

Ranger, calm yourself. That old paranoia gene seems to be playing up again. With all those conspiracy theories you're starting to sound like a Sinner. You're right though, it would have been nice if the mainstream media would at least acknowledge it as a problem. However to suggest they go out of their way to highlight the problems in the NI fanbase is unfair.

Beano my comic poster: I do not need to cam down I state the facts on our broadcasters both BBC and UTV. Nor am I or other Northern Ireland fans paranoid

Talkback the BBC radio Ulster phone in show, has an underlying them of knocking Northern Ireland and the fans.
This is not on football issues but on every thing but football.


UTV and its sports presenter and sports editor is anti Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland fans. He prefers to show the sectarian and political GAA than Northern Ireland and this was shown by there vitriol over the Lawrie Sanchez non interview.

By the way UTV don't even show Northern Ireland matches, but dragged every so called journalist on to kick the Northern Ireland manager and team at every opportunity.

http://www.beanogas.com/

"UTV and its sports presenter and sports editor is anti Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland fans. He prefers to show the sectarian and political GAA than Northern Ireland and this was shown by there vitriol over the Lawrie Sanchez non interview"

And Beano is presently showing a GAA advert in the top left hand corner...I think we should be told why !!

ranger1640
UTV is a joke, a crappy provincial tv station which noone takes seriously, what they do and don't show is of no consequence. BBC NI is more important; people like Dunseath and Nolan do give us a hard time on occasions, but I'm not sure if they're working to an agenda or simply trying to do their jobs as journalists. The Radio Ulster phone in this week did feature some NI fans setting out pretty good points so it's not all one way.

http://www.beanogas.com/

Good to see we're engaged in such mature discussion. I've been aware of the product in question since I first used my nickname as an online moniker 10 years ago and had it pointed out to me by several equally hilarious Americans.

UTV. It's a complete waste of space and my disgust at their blatant contempt for their local programming responsibilities is part of the reason I don't watch UTV Live (that and Newsline is just better) and didn't see the interview you're referring to. However I'd echo pretty much everything Paul about the local media in his last comment.

BBC is much more important and they seem to be quite supportive of NI at times (live friendlies, WNBWNI performed live on Children in Need, or the Season Ticket special following the victory over England for example).

Talkback is just catering to its market - a market which seems to eat up paranoia and sensationalism. The controversy of the arguments put forward by its presenter seem much more important than the facts/evidence behind them - a bit like a certain (fat) other BBC radio presenter from Northern Ireland. Basically it's a tabloid radio show and I think you vastly overestimate its importance if it's getting to you that much.

All I intend to highlight with this post is that bigotry is present in a minority of the supporters of most football teams. Hopefully people will bare it in mind the next time they have a crack at Northern Ireland fans because a couple of wankers in the Bot start up a chorus of the Billy Boys (and are stupid enough to do it on live TV too).

Have to agree with beano, is obvious that a so called all ireland football team would lead to the destruction of our northern ireland team. Is it likely, do we think, that with the range of players that the republic can select their team from, that they would be playing the likes of johnny evans the 18year old who played such an important part in the defeat of spain, or even our own keith gillespie? With the establishment of an all-ireland team, david healy may be allowed to play every so often, but the players who make up our northern ireland team at present would be unlikely to play many matches, hence effectively destroying the team as it stands, and eventually the so called all ireland team would be very little altered from the current republic team! As a northern ireland fan i have never understood the reason why people from northern ireland support the republic, i suppose it can be put down to politics, or the fact that they do rank slightly higher than us, but as i see it, Northern Ireland is our national team, through good or bad, and we should all get behind them. All talk of an all-ireland team, is in my opinion a thinly veiled excuse to destroy the northern ireland team! Hopefully, it'll never happen, lawrie and the boys are doing a great job, and long may it continue

The best time for an all-Ireland team would have been the '80s, when NI arguably had the better team (re wins over Spain in '82 Germany twice in the Euro '84 qualifiers, winning British Championship in '85) and when the likes of Jennings, O'Neill, Hamilton and Armstrong playing alongside Stapleton, Brady, O'Leary and Whelan could have formed a formidable force in Europe. I'll be realistic enough to acknowledge that it ain't gonna happen any time soon though.

What advocates of an All-Ireland team fail to acknowledge is the fact that it was the south who initiated the split, so they've made their bed and can lie in it. So in the unlikely event of a united island team being negotiated, the north should by rights have the power of veto. Conditions should include matches being played in Belfast and the original IFA emblem and kit being retained bearing in mind that NI were the original "Ireland" and the IFA was the original all-island association.

Both NI and the ROI supporters have a minority of sectarian idiots within their ranks and neither side can claim to hold the high moral ground. The only problem I would have with the current NI set-up is the playing of GSTQ as the anthem, purely on the grounds that it's already in use by another team and although beng the anthem of the UK, it has no direct connection with Northern Ireland any more than with Scotland or Wales who both have their own anthems. I don't think Danny Boy would be a suitable replacement as it's bloody awful sentimental drivel and not the type of tune that would inspire a team or its supporters before a match. We need a new anthem to reflect NI as a place and its people. Surely there must be a local composer talented enough to come up with a rousing tune (along the lines of the French or Russian national anthems which are both quite inspiring) that would appeal to all football supporters in NI?

As someone who lives in England but who is sick to death of the petty England v Scotland bitching and even the occasional nasty incidents that occur whenever the England team get to a World Cup or European tournament every two years, I would love to see a combined United Kingdom of Great Britain and NI team as hopefully, in time, it would stop this small-minded pettiness.

Nice idea Barry but has similar problems to an all-Ireland team. First and foremost, the chance of any players from NI making it are slim to none, and we'd kiss goodbye to ever seeing a match in Belfast again.

Even English fans from Manchester and Liverpool seem much more interested in club football than international matches (because England are too London-centric??) - with the state of the local league here, Northern Irish fans wouldn't even have club football to fall back on.

One of the most important reasons why I would like to see it happen is because I am very worried that the England football team is acting as a focus for separatism as are the teams in the other parts of the United Kingdom. Of course, sport shouldn't involve politics but it does in reality and there is no doubt in my mind that a lot of the resurgent separatism in England (in particular) and Scotland is to do with the existence of the separate football teams. I am a passionate Unionist and I am concerned that these teams are encouraging separatism. The problem with football is that it is such a popular game and that is why separatists have latched-on to them. There is no problem like this with the English Rugby Union side.

David Healy is pretty good!

In the past, there is no reason why great players from Northern Ireland like George Best wouldn't have been included in such a team.

It is a shame that so much of Northern Ireland's sporting identity is tied-up with the NI football team and so even in a part of the United Kingdom where so many people are still very proud to be British, this idea of a combined UK team isn't popular. I know you are proud of your team and so you should be. The players obviously play with a lot of pride and passion.

It might be helpful to point out that this was during the England game being watched on a big screen in Stuttgart's city centre.

You'll be offended at "if hate Man Utd stand up" next....

Call yourself a football fan Beano..... Too much rugby at school boy?

"It might be helpful to point out that this was during the England game being watched on a big screen in Stuttgart's city centre."

And why do you it might be helpful?
It's Ok to be racist, as long as we're only talking about the English/British?
If English fans instigate a chant of
"Stand Up if you hate the Irish Scum!" you'll adopt the same laissez-faire attitude? Course you will.

"You'll be offended at "if hate Man Utd stand up" next...."

It may have escaped your notice Garfield, Manchester United, fine team though they may be, is not a nation. Hence one can sing "Stand up, if you hate club x" without being being a racist.
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"It might be helpful to point out that this was during the England game being watched on a big screen in Stuttgart's city centre."

Garfield

So why wern't the ROI fans singing 'Stand up if you hate England' ?

I think we all know what they meant.

As Colombo use to say, just one more thing.....How much support from the NI supporters did Neil Lennon get after the detah threats he received from NI Supporters / Loyalist scum? I don't remember any campaigns from the local 'fans' here in Belfast to call on the bigots to retract their threat.
ponder on that one Norn Iron - even the Israeli teams have a few Israeli Muslims who play for a traditionally Muslim team in the Israeli league and they receive 100% from Israel fans.
Shame on you NI.

"How much support from the NI supporters did Neil Lennon get after the detah threats he received from NI Supporters / Loyalist scum?"

I presume you know the dickhead who scraped together 20p to phone in the threat, or is you speculation about him being an NI supporter just that? Anyway, at the next match the real fans had a "NI fans support Neil Lennon" banner (the same Neil Lennon caught promoting tolerance by shouting "Orange Bastards" at Rangers fans), but don't let the facts get in the way of your bigoted bullshit-fest.

By the way, stroke of genius using Israel as your example, given reports (plural) of Israel's last trip to this island.

Goliath
Why did you choose that name?
You're certainly not a giant intellect.

"How much support from the NI supporters did Neil Lennon get after the detah threats he received from NI Supporters / Loyalist scum?"

Read Neil's recent biography, he acknowledges the support he received from the vast majority of NI fan.

"I don't remember any campaigns from the local 'fans' here in Belfast to call on the bigots to retract their threat.
ponder on that one Norn Iron"

Clueless and ignorant comment. You find out who made the "anonymous" (look it up in the dictionary) call and we'll make our feelings known to the t**t in question. I take it you weren't at the next two NI matches? Lennon's name was constantly chanted again by the majority of the support, the main NI fanzine featured him on the front cover wearing a Celtic shirt telling the bigots to f-off.

And you and the rest of the ROI fans ponder on this one; not one of you has condemned the racism shown on the video. So what's the score, as long as it's the good ole Republic boys, then we are supposed to close our eyes to some anti-Brit racism, anti-semitism, attacking protestant children?

See, that's the difference between you and us- we acknowledge the problem and have started to fight against the bigots in our support. You lot seem happy to pat your racist/sectarian/anti-semitic scum minority on the back and mutter "sure it's just a bit of craic"
Shame on you.

That's hilarious! Completely harmless fans having a bit of banter about the auld enemy. Wish I'd made it over (apart from the result).

That's hilarious! Completely harmless fans having a bit of banter about the auld enemy

That's where the assorted cream of the "Republic"'s support were chanting "If you hate the Brits"?

Now, if I was being uncharitable, I'd say that your mask slipped a bit there Reg; speaking about quite a fair proportion of your fellow Ulstermen as the "auld enemy", tut, tut

In all seriousness though, there are about half a dozen episodes of less than exemplary behaviour in recent years on the part of ROI fans, ranging from attacking protestant school-children in Strabane to anti-semitism at the Israel game to, rather bizarrely, abusing their own fans who have the temerity to possess English accents. The anti-Brit racism on display in germany wasn't particularly clever or nice, but it wasn't as bad as other incidents which have occured.

"Now, if I was being uncharitable, I'd say that your mask slipped a bit there Reg"

That would be a tad more than uncharitable. It's fairly easy to differentiate between a good-humoured jocular chant and blatant racism.

Some NI fans in a mad "whataboutery" attempt to cancel out elements of their own team's following seem to have forgotten the difference.

I wouldn't find a chant of "If you all hate the Irish" particularly jocular, depending on whom was singing, I'd also classify it as racism.

"It's fairly easy to differentiate between a good-humoured jocular chant and blatant racism."

Yes Reg, it is, and this is clearly the latter.

"I wouldn't find a chant of "If you all hate the Irish" particularly jocular, depending on whom was singing, I'd also classify it as racism."

If anyone was singing such a chant it probably would be racist - given who would be singing it.

A few lads standing up and sitting down and having a silly sing-song is not. If they had met any "Brits" in a pub afterwards they'd probably have bought them a pint.

O'Neill,

It was quite obviously the former.

Sorry, Beano rather than O'Neill!

Right we forget about this and call it quits on the years of illegal occupation??

"illegal occupation"??? WTF!! Has this got something to do with Iraq?

I recorded and put up the video on youtube. I was just clicking on the links section and found this site and I've enjoyed reading down through the comments. First of all who ever mentioned this was while they were showing the england match on the big screen that Isnt true. This would have been between about 1pm-3pm on the afternoon of the match. Its not racist or xenophobic it was just a bit of fun (thats how it felt at the time anyway) I can personally say that I dont "hate the brits" as my mother is English, and yes I showed the video to her before I put it up and she wasn't offended.
Although you cant see it in the video just to the right of us were some german fans that had come down and they were singing this and other songs with us. Given that the english and the germans are traditional enemies and given the history that Ireland has with England its not suprising that these kind of songs came up. The problem is that english doesnt fit in with that tune. There was also "If you hate the fucking english clap your hands" but I didnt record this.
It wasnt the first Irish match I've been at, nor was it the last but its the only time I time accross this kind of singing and I genuinely believe that these songs were only sung because we were in Germany. I know alot of english fans travel to watch Ireland play (never mind the actual players) so in the cold light of day it isnt the most appropriate thing to be singing but at the time it was all in fun and there was definately no malice ment towards our northern neighbours.

this is no more than a propaganda website. the bollix that comes out of all your mouths is shite. no wonder why people dont get on when there is shitheads like yous.