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Blogging Over Old Ground
A couple of posts at Slugger have witnessed criticism for going off topic in the comments zone. This in itself is not an altogether irregular occurrence, but something about it got me thinking.
Slugger is a great source of news and views on Northern Ireland (and a bit further afield) but I wonder if it's sheer volume of posts, something that no doubt keeps readers interested and gives them an incentive to regularly check the site, is partially to blame for the poor quality and/or off-topicness of many of the comments. Don't get me wrong, some of them are truly informative, but the majority are either rehashes of old arguments or petty tribal/party point-scoring.
Going Off-Topic
The two threads in question are by Mark McGregor and Pete Baker. Mark highlights upcoming protests from socialist, republican microgroup Eirigi while Pete warns that there are actually folk out there who seriously want creationism taught as a scientific "theory".
Follow up:
Mark's post went over old ground (42-day detention without trial) to publicise Eirigi's publicity stunts and was peppered with the usual republican hyperbole. Commenters immediately proceeded to mock Eirigi's paltry numbers, liberal use of graffiti and lack of grounding in anything resembling reality. Pete's post, also rehashing a topic covered many times before, developed quickly into a discussion about the credentials of Richard Dawkins rather than the teaching of Creationism/Intelligent Design as science.
Same Shit, Different Day?
The common factor, from what I can see, (aside from going off topic) is that they both cover material covered before. The 42-day detention has been done to death, both on Slugger and elsewhere, and Pete is never slow to blog when the local bible-bashing nutters are let near a microphone.
So is it because people are bored by the same old same old that the comments veer off on a tangent? While I've been guilty myself of going on (and on) about my own pet peeves, I do try to restrain myself sometimes, or post in other fora where the audience is specifically interested in the issue at hand. I also try not to blog things that have been covered adequately in the mainstream media (including Slugger, which is mainstream compared to my wee site) unless I have something different I want to add. This often means that, despite wanting to post regularly and hopefully keep readers interested, I've nothing to say.
Perhaps it's just the fact that I read Slugger almost every (week)day that creates enough familiarity to breed contempt. I suppose that it's at times like this I'm really thankful for blogs like Unionist Lite that offer something different. Maybe it's just a case that Slugger readers should 'get out more', as it were, and visit some different sites. Thoughts?
Footnote: I'm in no position to criticise the way Mick runs, to paraphrase, the biggest blog in the country, and certainly not suggesting I could do it better. I'm only thinking out loud. Further, Pete and Mark aren't the most predictable or pigeon-holed posters (there's at least one other regular who is leading the pack from some distance on that score); it's just that they posted these articles in quick succession and the comments followed a similar pattern which was pointed out in both threads.
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A wild shot in the dark, but are his initials CD?
Slugger centralises debate pretty effectively and there's some good blogging on the front page. The comment zone can be a dead loss, but it definitely pays to shop around and get a bit of variety.
Slugger is a great source of news and views on Northern Ireland (and a bit further afield) but I wonder if it's sheer volume of posts, something that no doubt keeps readers interested and gives them an incentive to regularly check the site, is partially to blame for the poor quality and/or off-topicness of many of the comments.
In terms of the actual posts, it still is a very good source of up to the minute news, views and more reflective analysis of NI political life. OK, CD’s post do resemble a blogging equivalent of the much-lamented Daily Ireland in their slavish adherence to the party line and selective targeting of only certain types of sectarianism; but everyone else is producing on regular basis good original and occasionally challenging articles and where else are you going to find a range of views right through from the TUV to dissident republicanism?
The quality of comments suffers from the old law of diminishing returns; as the volume of people reading the site increases, the number of idiots reading and also commenting will also naturally increase. The media sites on the mainland (which, in reality, is the kind of league Slugger is now competing in) all operate comment moderation, but even there you still get some truly horrendous and pointless threads. Also noticable that the quality of commenting on Slugger definitely improves every year in September when the schools start up again!
But when they do beat their drum, I will point out what they're up to. Keep an eye on the Giants Causeway element too - as the London Geological Society are - because AiG have a financial stake in getting their materials in there.
More generally, on veering off-topic.
It has little to do with the kit.. and a lot to do with the kaboodle.
Chekov, I couldn't possibly name and shame.
O'Neill, you're right the posts themselves are, for the most part a very worthwhile read (if a little detailed for my little head at times). I should really know to not bother reading the comments at all by now, but I just can't help myself.
Pete, hope I managed to get my point across without coming across as too critical. You're one of the most regular posters on there and it's probably unfair not to mention the vast amount of news you highlight that might otherwise escape my attention (and that would be a disaster for all concerned!). It was worth highlighting the piece on Mervyn Storey, it's just a shame that there seemed to be nothing new to add in terms of comments. I wonder: is evolution/creationism becoming the new flags and football?
Secondly, in fairness it is dead season politically and when Stormont sits the posters on Slugger do a good job of highlighting assembly debates. The TUV stand down was completely overplayed.
However, I wonder even if Slugger did go down the line of more policy awareness would people reply and would numbers drop. For example, fair deal made a great post about gender equality which posed a lot of rather relevant questions, which on slugger remained unanswered.
Thanks for commenting on FairFlags.org.uk, we understand as Englishmen we are a bit ignorant on Northern Irish issues, so we are inviting comment on what a good choice of flag/label would be for Northern Irish produce:
http://fairflags.org.uk/blog/?p=100
We'd appreciate your input, and that of any other interested people!
"One weakness is that it focuses on little to nothing of information arising out of policy think-tanks."
"I wonder even if Slugger did go down the line of more policy awareness would people reply and would numbers drop"
I agree with the sentiment and have tried to do some of that in my blogging. However, in my general experience of posting threads on slugger based on material from think tanks is they attract a small number of comments. A lack of NI specific or NI included material (Many have a GB only focus or England and Wales focus) blunts the relevance to a degree and ability to generate a debate. There is also the barrier that the more the material the more effort required. A short news story or newspaper column is easier for people to respond to..
Maybe not the best example but the last one I can remember doing was a paper from a religious think tank on how Christians should try and influence public policy. I thought it would be a good means of broadening the debate following Iris Robinson's comments It attracted 3 comments from 2 commentors.
The post maybe was a but repetitive on a theme for your liking but sometimes they aren't solely aimed at the general audience and speak more to a niche. The fact I don't often go in for lots of backlinking doesn't make this apparent but what was very much on my mind was the incident in Dunclug and shinners dismantling internment bonfires throughout Republican areas. The post was highlighting that some Republicans aren't going to stop commemorating internment and have even expanded the focus.
Similarly my recent blog on St James has a very strong subtext that non-republicans wouldn't get while still being a legitimate piece on the superficial level.
Sorry but even though Slugger has a wide readership sometimes the post is directed more towards a target audience, in my case at least.
Best,
Mark.
